100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"They haven't made TC-W3 for 47 years. That statement alone tells how much you know about oil. You need to stick with selling houses. Just because most of us here at iboats cant use proper English as you say don't mean a thing when it comes to repair. Most people that are so book smart as you claim you are. Cant wipe their butt without using both hands. "<br />==========================================<br /><br />You're right. Back in 1958, when my old Johnson 35 was made, it called for 30-weight motor oil, mixed at 24:1. Later oils specifically designed for outboards appeared. They were tons better. And they're even better now. The ratio, however, has not changed for my '58 RDS-20.<br /><br />I don't sell houses. I sell web sites. I sell other things, too. <br /><br />As far as knowing about oil, I do know about oil. I used to be a "Master Mechanic" myself, on the automotive side. I also used to race two-stroke motorcyles and do all the work on them, too.<br /><br />I'm an old fart. I'm 60 years old now, and have done a lot of different things in my life. I'm also able to tell the difference between truth and nonsense when it comes to postings.<br /><br />Your "Mercmaster" guy is giving you the wrong information, I'm afraid.

 

[JB]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Threads like this do Amsoil and other 100% synthetics a lot more harm than good. Even a great product can be ruined by stupid marketing schemes and wildly exaggerated claims by self-apppointed "experts".<br /><br />I used 100% synthetics (Steen C) in my racing karts back in 1960-61, mixed at 16:1 with methanol, nitromethane, nitropropane, nitrobenzene and ethyl ether. Before that I used castor oil. Stunk like heck and went like stink. My engines were essentially scaled up model airplane engines using solid state switched magnetos for ignition. They typically turned 12,000 to 14,000rpm at WOT. Most of what I did is no longer legal, but I don't think any dino oil could have done it.<br /><br />I guess DHadley has run similarly configured and fueled outboards.<br /><br />What's my point? Amsoil is very good stuff, but it has a lousy marketing philosophy and too many unqualified people making unsupportable claims for it. They oughta rename it "Snakeoil".

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

JB,<br /><br />You're right. Amsoil could be the best oil since sliced bread, but it's almost a religion to some of its dealers. That's enough to keep me away from it.<br /><br />As I said, when it has a TC-W3 rating and I can buy it at the marine store, then I'll consider it. Until then, there are too many other perfectly good oils available, cheaper, for my outboard.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by JB:<br /> Amsoil is very good stuff, but it has a lousy marketing philosophy and too many unqualified people making unsupportable claims for it. They oughta rename it "Snakeoil".

Come on JB, youre losing credibility here. Just because you dont like the marketing is no reason to call it "Snake Oil".

 

[Pony]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

originally posted by CATransplant:<br /><br />He was selling steaks out of a cooler in the back of his pickup truck. "All the best restaurants buy from me," he said. "I have the best beef available anywhere," he said. "Do you know that they put additives on the beef at the supermarket to hide its age?," he asked.

.<br /><br />I actually bought steak from one of those trucks....it was actually quite good. just thought i'd throw that out there to cut the tension a little bit.<br /><br />I think the main point here is don't post false info out there cuz you never know who might read it. i think we'd all hate to have someone read something like this, and blow a motor. we all have a passion for boating/motors....lets make sure we dont ruin someone elses passion for it well by giving them info that isnt true. for all you that think you can do it, run your 100:1 oil at 100:1....just dont influence novice boaters to do it as well.....like i said earlier in this thread. a decarb isnt a big hassle, but replacing a motor is.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Looks like this ones over. All we needed was TheOilDock to cap this one off. <br /><br /> Looks like rain.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"What's my point? Amsoil is very good stuff, but it has a lousy marketing philosophy and too many unqualified people making unsupportable claims for it. They oughta rename it "Snakeoil"."<br /> Very true. lack of certification and the fact that 98% of the so called dealers are coomplete and utter morons really hurts their sales. If you are going to sell anythign you should at least know what your are selling why it works and the theorys behind it. <br /><br /> Amsoil MLM is also suspect in my book and though they are using less BS in their marketing than they use to it is still there(four ball tests, exagerated claims,ETC).

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

BTW I might add the Lubedude is one of the better Amsoil salesman that I have come into contact with.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> BTW I might add the Lubedude is one of the better Amsoil salesman that I have come into contact with.

Thanks Ben, but thats probably because Im not a salesman. I dislike there form of marketing as much as anyone, I just really like there 2 cycle oils, and several of there other products so Im a dealer.

 

[JB]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Just making a joke, LD. <br /><br />People get much too serious about a relatively non-earth shaking topic.

 

[craze1cars]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Man am I sorry I didn't see this until late. I've watched this battle waged on snowmobile threads before, so I did an experiment on a snowmobile I didn't care too much about, expecting a possible need for a rebuild.<br /><br />I have a 1998 Formula Z 670 from which I removed the oil injection system and have been running 100:1 Bombardier synthetic premix for 8,500 miles now (for those of you who may not realize this....that's quite a lot of miles for a 2 stroke snowmobile engine), and this sled is NOT treated kindly. Compression is still very strong and balanced, and I've had no failures or lubrication problems. After that experience, I turned back the oil pumps on my other snowmobiles so they burn somewhere between 80:1 and 100:1. Again, no failures or problems, and I'm saving money on oil and smoking/stinking less. <br /><br />I don't have any 2 stoke outboards to do this to, but from my snowmobile experience I believe it would work fine, but few are willing to acknowledge it's possible or take the risk with their steel. And I didn't use Redline or Amsoil...it was Bombardier's...but I did use 100% synthetic. I feel oil brand name is not that important, but I wouldn't expect this to work with a standard mineral oil.

 

[cpj]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Personally I use olive oil that has been infused with garlic.Now, being that garlic is a natural blood thinner,I like to use it at 25:1, just in case it thins oil also.I have great results with it and I can purchase it at any grocery store.Just add a head of garlic to <br />one galon of oil,let it set overnight and VOLIA! It doubles as a cooking oil if I want to cook fish on the shore,and it keeps the complaints from the anti 2 stroke crowd at bay.Whenever I drive by they ask me whats for dinner and dont complain about me poluting the water. <br />P.S. i think that you should solder your connections.(here cadet cadet cadet cadet)

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

I might point out, Crazy, that the biggest source of stink in two cycles is from unburnt fuel going out the exhaust. Oil ratio has no effect on this. FWIW the 670 doo engine is about as bullet proof as they come. Try that on a newer series three and you wont get 500 miles out of it. Mine 05 800 needs new rings and pistons after 2000 miles and it uses plenty of oil.

 

[lark2004]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

where'd Tim go?<br /><br /><br />BTW, you should crimp all connections lightly so that the crimp can be pulled off and re-used!<br /><br />If in doubt about how to crimp lightly, just twist the wires together, and wrap with some sticky tape......<br /><br /><br />KIDDING!!!!

 

[orca]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

quote originally posted by Dunaruna<br /><br />" Popcorns on stand by"<br />_______________________________________________________<br /><br /><br />Ah, There is nothing i like better than the smell of a good oil war in the morning,

 

[orca]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

If we were to cook CATransplants stolen steaks with CJPs olive oil and garlic mixture, would we have to decarb the barbaque plate after every meal???

 

[ivar]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> I might point out, Crazy, that the biggest source of stink in two cycles is from unburnt fuel going out the exhaust. Oil ratio has no effect on this.

I disagree on this one, I certainly can smell the difference if the snowmobile in front of me is running too rich on oil. Especially if its running non-synthetic.

 

[craze1cars]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br />Try that on a newer series three and you wont get 500 miles out of it. Mine 05 800 needs new rings and pistons after 2000 miles and it uses plenty of oil.

Sounds like you got a bad motor, a 500 mile failure would have nothing to do with oil ratio unless it was set up wrong by dealer or factory...more of a defect than an oil ratio issue.<br /><br />I've dialed the oil pumps back on much more than just the 670....that was just my old test horse which had the system disconnected to make sure I knew the mix. But after success, the oil pumps have also been cranked back on my 2004 600 SDI, my 2000 MXZ 600, my cousin's Indy 500 XCSP, and my brother's MXZ 700.<br /><br />Like I said earlier, we adjusted them until they're all consuming somewhere in the range of 80:1 to 100:1 depending on temp and riding conditions, and as of now they all have between 2,000 and 6,000 trouble-free miles and all are still showing 130 lbs of balanced compression or more. And you'll just have to trust me on this as it's subjective, but they all definitely smoke and smell less...ESPECIALLY the Polaris (which we also run on Bombardier synthetic just for convenience.) Everyone knows, Poo STINKS! But we fixed that...<br /><br />So don't knock it if you haven't tried it yourself. It won't be an issue soon for me anyway as I plan to jump ship from Doo for the first time in about 25 years and start buying Yamaha 4 strokes....they got it goin' on these days!

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Ha! At least you should avoid cooking those stolen steaks in castor oil. Bad results from that.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Its ridicoulus to scrimp on oil on a machine costing thousands of dollars. There is no real benifit to 100:1 oils other than they may smoke slightly less. As mentioned before the corrosion protection is subpar and I dont think you are doing your engine any favors runnign less oil.<br />BTW CRazy, Check your rings and compression on that 04. I would bet some coin the rings are pitted and or the compression is low. FWIW Bombi oil is made by Castrol and its nothing special, besides its stinky, burnt plastic smell.