100:1 premix?

[ReelDrag]

Anyone use the Amsoil Saber 100:1 synthetic oil? Thinking about trying it in my Johnson 115, but I'm a little nervous about the 100 to 1 mixture. Is it ok to run wot with this oil?

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Here we go <br /><br />First off, Im a dealer, second, I used the 100:1 many years ago in an 85 HP Evenrude and ran the you know what out of it for two years with the old 100:1 mixed at about 80:1 with great results and no problems, No spark plug fouling and the engine was really clean inside. The new Saber is an even better product now. I only recommend that people that are going to run WOT most of the time, run it at 1 bottle (8oz.) per 5 gal, about 80:1. There are little if any solvents in the 100:1 oil, so you are in reality running a richer mix than you might think. If the 100:1 bothers you, you can run the HP Injector oil at 50:1 if you would like. Not to worry.<br /><br />Neither product is actually certified TC-W3!<br /><br />OK boys, Have at it.

 

[Mercury140-I6]

Re: 100:1 premix?

I called Amsoil's home office and asked them that very question. They told me that their 100:1 is the same as 50:1 using QuickSilver oil. I mix Amsoil at about 80:1 though, just to be on the safe side. Good news, it vetuatually eliminates the 2-stroke smoke, bad news, it's more than the QuickSilver oil. I like it though.<br /><br /> http://www.myfishingpictures.com/showphoto.php?photo=13003&sort=7&thecat=500&password= <br /><br />Craig

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 premix?

If gas wasn't $18 a gallon that's what I'd be using, but I couldn't possibly handle anything less than 60:1...

 

[Boomyal]

Re: 100:1 premix?

This boat is running on 100:1 Amsoil. It is a 1979 100hp Evinrude. Ran it on this 30 foot houseboat from 1979 till I moved and sold the boat in 1988. Never changed the sparkplugs. It never smoked and it fired right up, with little fuss, every spring. Just be sure you mix it thorougly before you go out and hammer it.<br /><br />

<br /><br />Few listen but few get the benefits, right LubeDude?

 

[Jack Shellac]

Re: 100:1 premix?

I'd like to try synthetic, but have concerns about it staying mixed in a pre-mix system. Is this a real concern or am I just being too cautious?

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> If gas wasn't $18 a gallon that's what I'd be using, but I couldn't possibly handle anything less than 60:1...

You have been listening to Blano way too much on the other forum! and because you only use 8 oz. instead of 16 oz, It really is only $9.00 a gallon.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Originally posted by Jack Shellac:<br /> I'd like to try synthetic, but have concerns about it staying mixed in a pre-mix system. Is this a real concern or am I just being too cautious?

It will not separate, yes, you are being too cautious!

 

[ReelDrag]

Re: 100:1 premix?

So you're saying the Saber oil is more consentrated or a thicker oil?

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> If gas wasn't $18 a gallon that's what I'd be using, but I couldn't possibly handle anything less than 60:1...

You have been listening to Blano way too much on the other forum! and because you only use 8 oz. instead of 16 oz, It really is only $9.00 a gallon.

$9 a gallon? I wish! Sense you can use half as much oil I'll say it cost half as much. That's still $4/quart or $16/gallon...and that's if you use it at 100:1. I can get a gallon of Pennzoil for $6! Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use Amsoil, but I'd rather spend that money on more gas.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Hmmm, 128 oz in a gallon, you use 8 oz which allows you to mix 80 gals of gas at 80:1 or 96 at 100:1 compaired to 48 gallons at 50:1 with another oil.<br /><br />The 100:1 Saber is only $3.10 an 8 oz bottle and cheaper if you buy it by the gallon.

 

[phatmanmike]

Re: 100:1 premix?

guys guys guys... i switched to synthetic after reading some of lubey dudes thoughts here . i switched about 2 months ago, and as long as i can continue to afford it, i will use it. it does everything it says it will !! thats it ! point blank.<br /><br />no smoke at all, smoother, quieter, easier and sexier... ok so its not sexier<br /><br />i premix at 50:1 with penzoil 100%synthetic from westmarine, 16 a gallon.. im sure i can get it cheaper, but that was just my first time getting it... and i still have half a gallon... i use it in my 14hp evinrude, 5 hp nissan, 3.5 hp wards sea king wich is 44 years old and my 1977 merc 1150 6 cylinder<br /><br />m ikey

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 premix?

5 gallons of Amsoil premix @ 80:1 = 8 ounces of oil or $2 @ $8/quart.<br />5 gallons of Pennzoil premix @ 40:1 = 16 ounces of oil or $0.75 @ $6/gallon.<br /><br />So...even at 80:1 Amsoil still cost over 2.5 times as much. Like I said, I'd love to use it, but the boat sucks so much premium gas as it is I can barely afford the Pennzoil.

 

[Boomyal]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Originally posted by phatmanmike:<br /> guys guys guys... i switched to synthetic after reading some of lubey dudes thoughts here . i switched about 2 months ago, and as long as i can continue to afford it, i will use it. it does everything it says it will !! thats it ! point blank.<br />

Pretty good eh LubeDude, see, they aren't all timid naysayers. Way to go phatmanmike, you'll just continue to be amazed. By the by, I saw your picture PMM. You're not fat. What gives wid da nom de plume?

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Yes, some are coming around and being more vocal. You cant change the world overnight.<br /><br />I wouldnt care how much the synthetics went up in price, I would stay with them for the added protection and performance alone. Just a couple dollars a tank full is nothing when it comes to my engine.<br /><br />I dont mean to say anyone is actually causing damage by not using it, I just think the cleaner running, longer sparkplug life and added performance are worth it. The cleanliness is the biggest factor in my opinion and lack of smoke.

 

[1986mariner150]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Man lube it just seems like last month you were running Quicksilver, I thought you switched about the same time you got the tabs? Now it seems like you been running it forever. Personally I aint running anything that don't say TC-W3.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Maybe a little clarification is in order. I have been using Amsoil next to forever in other boats and equipment, If you will remember, I just got this boat up and running this year, and you are correct in that I did just change oils in this boat close to the same time I put the tabs on. <br /><br />Use the Pennzoil brand full synthetic then, its TC-W3, but Amsoil has a better Base stock.

 

[pecheux]

Re: 100:1 premix?

lubedude, I presently own several small kicker. newest acquisition is a 1997 Force 15hp that has less than 50 hours on it. (know the ex owner)<br /><br />Force engines tend to send smoke your way more than others due to the fact that their exhaust exits at water level contrary to most others that have the exhaust exit via the propeller.<br /><br />I have tried Quicksilver, then Castrol, then Amsoil Injector. Amsoil smokes less but still too much to my liking so I do intend to try the Saber Outboard at 80:1 mix as soon as I can find it, to hopefully eliminate all smoke. (I use tiller)<br /><br />Have seen a post from New Zealand where some synt oil is advertized as such: This fully syntetic oil is designed to run at 100:1 mix in replacement of the original outboard manufacturer's recommendation at 50:1 using conventional oils. <br /><br />This was not Amsoil, but perhaps Castrol 100 biolube, not necessarely available in America.<br /><br />From the nays I read on these forum regarding the 100:1 mix ratio it seems to me most people dont realise that only certain oils are actualy made for that exact purpose but most regular oil sticker say "this oil is good up to 100:1 mix" which is the reason for all that there confusion.<br /><br />Someone on this forum mentioned he ran his Merc 140 on both 80:1 and 100:1 (mainly idling). I use to own a Merc 115 6 cyl that was a workhorse and never blinked in 5 years of 50% WOT but SMOKE like a train. Wish I would have knowed about Amsoil Saber back then.<br /><br />Cheers to y'all

 

[pecheux]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Bottom line is ... we can look for improved products (oil) or sit tight and use the old stuff. Personnaly I am interested in the elimination of smoke on any outboard since it is a sign of to much oil on the plugs. At this moment seems only Amsoil is (and has been) progressive enough to work on that with the Saber 100:1 mix formula products.<br /><br />For those of you who might think Amsoil is off beat at times let me remind you that Mercury/Quicksilver oil say right on the can that it is a multi-purpuse oil to be used in outboards, chain saw, and mowers. Now that is BS ... and it is well knowed that this oil is NON-COMPATIBLE with lawn-boy mowers .... now aint that funny ? I thought Lawn-boy was the main manufacturer of 2 cylcle mochines ... <br /><br />See ... nobody is perfect.<br /><br />I do intend to use the Saber oil at 80:1 ratio asap ... so many do ... and dont have to put up with extra yukky exhaust smoke ... <br /><br />Happy fishing y'awl

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 premix?

Man, you been doing some digging!<br /><br />Sounds like youre my kind a guy, but you have to understand one thing. You are not going to eliminate all smoking but the 100:1 oil will be as close as you get. Just about "ANY TC-W3 oil will work at 100:1 at Idle or slower speeds, when they have problems is WOT and then not allways. Mostly its a storage protection issue which Amsoil has worked out. You can go ahead and use the Saber at 100:1, otherwise you may as well stick with the HP. Like you said, the Amsoil Saber is designed to be run at 100:1.