1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

[MrPhotographer06]

my 1959 'rude 35hp sat for about 12 years and we cranked it last summer and it wouldnt run without choke.

i ran it today and it did the same thing..

with the cover off it wont run except on full choke..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAKKynPpbyk


with the cover on she barely runs at full choke and better at half choke ..but only lasts about 30 seconds before it dies.. and when its running it wont run except at about half throtte [start position]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHmJyJu-jNc

theres a short one running at half choke..

think i can solve this with a good carb cleaning?


Also.. shes putting alot of oil out.. or atleast it seems to me.. maybe its normal..

-Scott

 

[coolguy147]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

holy crap@@@ thats a lot of oil.

make sure ur running it at a 24/1 fuel mix with tcw-3 oil 2 stroke and make sure its for boats.

sinc eu havent ran it in a while we suggest u check compression see if its worth foolign aorund with. then gear oil and replace it with a new washer for the screw. and especially replace the water impeller dont want a over heat( might need a new thermostat but looks like its working.) by the way u must have a t stat in it

u need to clean the carb before it will run right and might need a new fuel pump diafram. fuel line and make sure u get a new float with ur carb kit only need it one time.


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[MrPhotographer06]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

holy crap@@@ thats a lot of oil.

make sure ur running it at a 24/1 fuel mix with tcw-3 oil 2 stroke and make sure its for boats.

sinc eu havent ran it in a while we suggest u check compression see if its worth foolign aorund with. then gear oil and replace it with a new washer for the screw. and especially replace the water impeller dont want a over heat( might need a new thermostat but looks like its working.) by the way u must have a t stat in it

u need to clean the carb before it will run right and might need a new fuel pump diafram. fuel line and make sure u get a new float with ur carb kit only need it one time.


u can might probably all of these items for a very cheap price compared to the big dealers. this is good if one is far away. buy from our site

its running 24/1...with regular 2 stroke oil i think...

 

[jbjennings]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

Go back to the main forum page and click on "FAQ", then click on "awakening a sleeping outboard".
You are describing a classic dirty carb, but if it were me I would first get a spark tester and see if the spark will jump a 1/4 inch gap. Just spark won't do. It's got to be a good hot spark. Don't worry about the oil for the moment, even when running perfect they will put a LOT of crap in the barrel. that's why some of us like to use the synthetic 2-stroke oil when we can afford it---supposedly it's more biodegradable than regular oil. If you have good spark, clean your carb, replace all fuel lines, and make sure your fuel tank is CLEAN.
The logic behind the spark is that under compression inside a cylinder full of Hydrocarbons (nonconductive and therefore increasing resistance more), a weak coil or whatever else making a weak spark, won't be enough to jump the gap and make a spark inside the cylinder. It should jump a 1/4 inch gap with a blue POP in the air. A spark tester is only 6 bucks and change at autozone. A cheapo compression tester is about 20 bucks at the same place. Well worth it!
BTW, the water pump impeller is almost sure to have taken a set from sitting for so long. You'd be wise to replace it before taking it on the "maiden" voyage. I'd replace it before I ever cranked the motor so the impeller blades don't find their way into hard to reach places.
Good luck,
JBJ

 

[Mas]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

24:1 equals one quart of oil for six gallons of oil.

MAS

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

24:1 equals one quart of oil for six gallons of oil.

MAS

One quart of oil to six gallons of gas!

Then again, if he is running one quart of oil to six gallons of oil, we pretty much know why the water in his barrel looks like that!

 

[samo_ott]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

Yep, clean the carb...

That engine sure runs a lot quieter with the hood on!

And it looks like your steering needs a bit of work also

 

[Mas]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

24:1 equals one quart of oil for six gallons of oil.

MAS

Ooops...I guess that would be straight oil, wouldn't it!

MAS

 

[freddyray21]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

needs a carb overhaul more than likely. Also if the coils haven't been replaced sometime in their life take a look a them. You might find them cracked and not giving a hot fire. The oil in the barrel looks fine. The oil and gas they don't burn (and if you are running it with the choke on it will be rich) goes out the exhaust. In a barrel it looks like a lot. Going down the lake it won't. Also change the impeller.

 

[freddyray21]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

the other thing you will find running them in a barrel like that is the motor tends to eat it's own exhaust. A fan running on the motor will push the exhaust away and avoid that.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

the also smoke more in a barrel. i would definately clean the carb, and the do a decarb, to clean the internals.

Decarb, take a can of seafoam put 3/4 of it in the gas tank, with only 1 gallon of premixed gas. put the rest in a spray bottle. start the engine, and let it come up to temperature. then remove plugs, and them some real good shot of seafoam into the cylinders, replace plugs, let sit 15 minutes. restart, and spray the rest of the seafoam into the carbs, so the the motor almost stalls, wait and repeat until the seafoam is gone.then take for a wide open spin. then put in new plugs, ad premixed gas to the tank, and take it for a wide open throttle spin. it is going to smoke like a house on fire, during this process.

afterwards compression.recheck

 

[MrPhotographer06]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

whew... i posted this on my bass fishing site and they were freakin out about my lower unit seals going..

yeah its wayyy quieter with the cover on and i've still got some steering problems.. cant seem to get it to hang in the middle.. haha nah i have the cable.. but my dad wont let me do it and hes never home to do it......

anyway.. i may try the sea foam thing.. and get a fan to blow the smoke..

My grandpa messed with the mixture knobs alot so i have no idea where to set them... the rod is gone for the high-speed so i have to adjust it with the cover of..

My uncle said usually the low speed is 1 1/2 turns out and highspeed i 1 turn out and it should run good

I'm really leaning towards the seafoam thing this week.. and if alll else fails then friday i'll take it to the school.. i'll sign out early and go home and get it..take it back to school =P

 

[freddyray21]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

whew... i posted this on my bass fishing site and they were freakin out about my lower unit seals going..

yeah its wayyy quieter with the cover on and i've still got some steering problems.. cant seem to get it to hang in the middle.. haha nah i have the cable.. but my dad wont let me do it and hes never home to do it......

anyway.. i may try the sea foam thing.. and get a fan to blow the smoke..

My grandpa messed with the mixture knobs alot so i have no idea where to set them... the rod is gone for the high-speed so i have to adjust it with the cover of..

My uncle said usually the low speed is 1 1/2 turns out and highspeed i 1 turn out and it should run good



I'm really leaning towards the seafoam thing this week.. and if alll else fails then friday i'll take it to the school.. i'll sign out early and go home and get it..take it back to school =P

not sure what you mean by the rod being gone for the high speed. Are you taking about the mixture screw? couldn't be as you would have gas pouring out the missing hole. On the mixture screws I find the settings you described are a good start then adjust it once it is running. However, if it will only run with the choke on all the adjustment in the world won't help until you clean the carb.

 

[jasper60103]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

not sure what you mean by the rod being gone for the high speed.

freddyray,
I believe he is referring to the rod that looks similar to a wire coat hanger in thickness.
It runs from the high speed needle up to an adjustment knob.
If this rod is missing, you can still adjust the high speed needle at the bottom of the carb though.

 

[MrPhotographer06]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

not sure what you mean by the rod being gone for the high speed.

freddyray,
I believe he is referring to the rod that looks similar to a wire coat hanger in thickness.
It runs from the high speed needle up to an adjustment knob.
If this rod is missing, you can still adjust the high speed needle at the bottom of the carb though.

yeah but you can only do it with the cover off..

i think i'm going to give it to my coach for this weekend

 

[BigB9000]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

Coach? school? uncle? seafoam?

Just clean the darned carb!

...then worry about the other stuff

 

[MrPhotographer06]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

haha i'm scared to do it by myself..


i talked to the coach today.. he said he cant this weekend.. but next sunday if i take it to his house.. he'll teah me how to take it off and clean it.. and put it back togeather.. so then if i ever need to do anything to it.. i can do it myself

 

[MrPhotographer06]

Re: 1959 35 'rude spittin and oilling

also.. would the plugs have anything to do with it not running?