1964 16' Jupiter floor.

[N1265]

Hi Guys,

I just bought a '64 Jupiter and am in the process of putting in a floor. I have read threw a few restoration threads but am a little confused on how to lay the floor out.

Do you run the plywood lenght wise and have one seem down the middle and piece in the area under the bow and bilge ? or do you run the plywood sideways and have three seperate seams ?.

Also, the ribs on the bottom have a couple of holes in them near the outside, what is the beat way to secure the floor down along the outside edge in these cases ? I am afraid if I just drill more holes they might break out into the old ones and not hold. Also, when screwing the new plywood down do you have to use rivits ? or can you use sheet metal screws ? I figure I will use 3/4in exterior plywood as it looks to be what was recommended in other threads.


This is not going to be a total restoration, all I plan on doing is putting a floor in it, paint it green and use it for fishing and duck hunting. Also, how important is it to replace the styrofome under the floor ? would the boat sit in the water lower without it ?


Thanks,

 

[fshngho]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

The plywood is usually exterior grade and the same thickness as was removed. It is coated with epoxy to prolong the life. They are cut to fit sideways with 3 seams and sometimes fiberglassed together. Usually rivets are used to reduce chances of coming loose but you can use deck screws (proper length) as some have done. If you are worried about the holes you will have to mark the wood to line up with existing. The floatation is undecided as to whether it will keepa boat from sinking, but I would install some since it couldn't hurt. It came from the factory like that. If the foam is in good shape you can use it, but it has a tendency to get waterlogged. Thats why we replace it with noodles or pink or blue foam from HD or Lowes.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

would the boat sit in the water lower without it ?

Adding foam inside the hull does nothing to increase the buoyancy of your hull (unless your hull is filled with water) so it won't effect how it sits in the water. As mentioned, I'd replace it with pink or blue foam board or pool noodles. If your boat should swamp, it would sink like a stone without foam. With the foam you may at least have something to hold onto till help arrives. That's the way I look at it. I figured if for some horrible reason my boat swamped, I didn't want to be treading water thinking "man I sure wish I'd thrown some foam in there".

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Welcome to the Starcraft club!

You don't want a seam running the length of the hull in the middle for a few reasons. First and foremost, this is where the most stress will be placed on the deck, so a solid piece of ply port to starboard is best for a solid deck.

You can glass over the lateral seams to add strength. I used epoxy resin, with duct tape on the underside of the seams to hold it so it would bond well. My deck is extremely solid and I'm very happy with the 3/4" exterior strengthened by the resin. I laid down marine vinyl over the deck and that has been great also.

Good luck to ya!

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Thanks for the info, I am really starting to regret diving into this project. I bet I had to shovel out 700# of crap from under the deck, mostly walnuts, pine cones, and decomposed wood / muck. The boat sat under a tree for 7 years.

I just spent the last two day wondering what the H*** I was thinking...

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Allow me to assist you:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/Boat Project/2632255807_f86e8e7fc2_b-1.jpg

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Under all that rotten stuff is a shiny aluminum hull just waiting to float again

Trust me, if you think you have a mess on your hands, check out some of the restoration threads where a rotten fiberglass boat is found under the deck.

Much bigger job. You can handle a tin Starcraft restoration, I'm sure.

This website helps tremendously, as many of us have already made lots of mistakes and learned the right way to do things.

 

[Bwana Don]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

How do you eat an elaphant? One bite at a time. Stick with it and do one thing at a time. Pretty soon it starts looking like a boat.

You know you've arrived when you have to really think about what to do next. I made a list a went through it, I stopped only when I ran out of money.

Good luck, the boys here will do you right.

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Allow me to assist you:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/Boat Project/2632255807_f86e8e7fc2_b-1.jpg

That sure was a nice picture.... I am sure she will see water again and fit my needs.

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Tore some more stuff off it today, The neighbor is suppose to help we with the floor tomorrow.

It sure is a PITA getting all the muck out from under the ribs. Let me ask you guys, I am thinking of drilling holes neer the bottom of the 3 braces in the back to allow more water to drain towards the drain hole, Is this a good or a bad idea ?

 

[Bob Gilvary]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Think shop vac!!!

 

[Huron Angler]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Tore some more stuff off it today, The neighbor is suppose to help we with the floor tomorrow.

It sure is a PITA getting all the muck out from under the ribs. Let me ask you guys, I am thinking of drilling holes neer the bottom of the 3 braces in the back to allow more water to drain towards the drain hole, Is this a good or a bad idea ?

I pondered this myself...and came to the conclusion that since those ribs are structural it's best to leave them as they are from the factory. The middle point of those ribs provides strength to the entire hull.

What you should do is take some pipe cleaner or a bent coat hanger and get those limber holes opened up. That's how the water flows to the bilge.

These are the little openings along the keel that appear to be full of gunk. It's tedious but well worth the effort. Using a shop-vac with a small attachment worked well for me also. It's a good feeling watching the water drain out once they are all wide open.

You are on your way, the teardown phase is not always fun, but once you start putting her back together it's pretty rewarding to watch.

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Well the floor is in, Used a shop vac as suggested and got the majority of it out.

Since the aluminum rib that runs down the center had a lot of holes in it, we decided to run a 2x4 down it so we would have something to screw the deck to down the center, then we used 3/4 in. toung and grove plywood that was treated with Tompsons water seal. In addition to the Tompsons, we also gave the bottom side a quick coat of paint. The T&G was a just the ticket because it allowed us to leave out those aluminum strips under the seams from the factory, The floor is very tight and solid.

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Well, I decided to paint the inside satin gray (The outside will be Forest or OD Green.) However, I am one of those guys who likes a little
" wood " on a boat and lucky for me, the dash was in good enough condition to stain and use "as is "
I also decided to make new side panels and stain them also.

I gave some thought as to what to do with the hardware on the boat because it was pitted. I have used the textured finish paint from Rustoleum with great results on my cycle and decided to try it on the boat also, Has anybody else done this ? Are you happy with it ? I am not sure how it will hold up in a marine enviroment.

Also, I can not find a OD green ( in a satin or flat finish )from Rustoleum, Is there a brand of paint out there that is comparable to Rustoleum that can be tinted by the Qt.? Where would I go to get something like that ?

I also need to know the best way to remove the black marks on the rub rail...



Many Thanks,

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

N1265 Secure a strip of Aluminum to the ribs on both sides then you will be able to attach the floor wherever you feel the need to.

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

I am going to put in a bench seat that I can also use for storage, But do not know the high to make it.

How high is the seating in your guys' 16' boat ?

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Also, I need to know what the " spring things " that attach the steering cable to the splash well are called so I can get some replacements.

And I need to know if / where you can still get the plastic hole moldings for the holes in the splash well, or what to use to help protect the cables and gas lines that run threw them ?

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

I am going to put in a bench seat that I can also use for storage, But do not know the high to make it.

How high is the seating in your guys' 16' boat ?

Lower than you think. The standard boat seats have 10" bases. I had those in my Jupiter and they were a bit high. In my 18' SS I put 8" pedestals under my buckets and they are ideal.

Also, I need to know what the " spring things " that attach the steering cable to the splash well are called so I can get some replacements.

This was the only place online I could find reference to them http://www.cassellmarine.com.au/p/598093/spring---cable-tensioner.html
Check in the home improvement stores where they have all the parts for storm doors. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

And I need to know if / where you can still get the plastic hole moldings for the holes in the splash well, or what to use to help protect the cables and gas lines that run threw them ?

How about something like these http://www.iboats.com/Rigrite-Riggi...63198811--**********.466118256--view_id.39535

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Thanks for the Advice Guys, I started another thread to deal with the steering ( That I just got done today )

Here is a picture of the bench seat that I plan on putting in. The opening will face the bow and be used for storage...

 

[N1265]

Re: 1964 16' Jupiter floor.

Well I got some more done on the boat today, I tried some wire loom around the holes in the splash well, Not sure if I like it or not....