1969 Larson - Big Project

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Ask him if the controls have two levers or one. If two, then it's a manual shift. This link will tell you about painting your boat. Do you Have a Tractor Supply Company store in your area??


"Paint Your Boat for Under $100 Bucks"

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

No Tractor Supply. Which is actually amazing considering there are many people who actually park their tractor's in their driveways around here.

I've looked at your painting thread. Definitely cool. I do have access to Rustoleum marine paints at multiple locations. This includes primer, paint, and antifouling. I've read a couple of threads on here that give it pretty good reviews. Always welcome your thoughts, of course. I haven't bought it yet.

The guy willing to trade his old 40HP for my newer (relatively) 25 isn't having any luck whatsoever. I'm going to keep trying to sell mine and hope the 60HP I noticed doesn't sell. There is also a 50HP Merc I found. He claims good compression on 2/3 cylinders. The third is low with scouring.

I'm no mechanic, so I don't know what kind of repair that would entail... but a Merc that is basically the same age as my motor would make some sense!

Ask him if the controls have two levers or one. If two, then it's a manual shift. This link will tell you about painting your boat. Do you Have a Tractor Supply Company store in your area??


"Paint Your Boat for Under $100 Bucks"

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Since I'm a boat building beginner, I'd thought I'd actually contribute something to this forum that I do know a little bit about. (And, to test posting pictures from my digital cam instead of my phone!)

If any of you do a fair amount of woodworking, or you can find this tool new or used, I personally feel it is a MUST for both novice and expert wood workers. I'm speaking of a PLUNGING CIRCULAR SAW, with tracks. Anyone can cut perfectly strait lines with this tool. In this instance, I'm actually pre-cutting my stringers. And, in total it took me about 5 minutes to lay out, measure, and cut 6 pieces. All of them were perfect.

1. Measure and label. I always mark the factory edges, which in the case of my stringers will make a level floor!



2. Lay out track for saw. Measure thrice, cut once. Depending on how you lay the track, you may need to factor in the blade width!



3. Once the track is laid, this particular brand has clamps to attach to the wood. Clamp and cut! I ripped through this length of marine ply LIKE BUTTER in about 8 seconds.



DONE.

In this instance, I was shooting for an 11" with piece, which...



I also cut 4 lengths at 6" each for some shorter stringers, which...



As you can see, very useful tool. And once you get good at using it your cuts will be perfect every time! I'm also hoping to find an excuse to use a router on this project so I can show all of you something else I'm relatively good at. But, I haven't had a chance yet. We'll see!

On a side note, I'm still sitting around waiting for supplies to arrive, SO I'm finalizing some grinding in preparation for someday putting stringers and deck in! I've decided that the weird layer of foam on the sides of the hull (mentioned a few times) was actually cosmetic and not functional. I am convinced it was put in in order to have a surface to attach carpet to.

I'm going to take a pretty fair portion of this stuff out. Besides, I won't be able to do my layups of the deck to the hull with this junk in the way.

 

[Willyclay]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

You may not be a mechanic but you appear to handle the woodworking stuff pretty well. I never get that "blade width thing" correct.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I thought about making a vid of that, but my cell or camera can only handle so much video. I think the key to cutting perfect firstly is the tool, secondly if you are using a guide is to align the guide so that you take the blade out of the equation. Make your cut outside of the guide, DEAD ON your cut line.

I'm sure I'll have more cutting to do anyway. If so I'll Youtube some video of it. Incidentally, I've been using Makita's plunge saw (with guides) for various projects and work for some time now. It cuts through woods like butter, even multiple layers, and for much cheaper (and better) than most major brands.

That tool belongs to my employer, so I don't really care either way. But when I want to make some precise cuts it's what I use. Otherwise, I have strait edges and my own circular saw that can come reasonably close.

Related to the point, when it comes to power tools for personal use I'm basically as cheap as it gets. I do projects, but few enough to justify spending outrageous amounts of money on expensive tools. Over the last few years I've "invested" in most of Ryobi's power tools, and as long as I take care of them they work really well for small to mid projects. I even remodeled a major portion of my living room with their junk.

All told I have: 18 Volt drill, circular saw, and flashlight ($99), plunge router ($89), table router ($99), chop saw ($89), power circular ($89), table saw ($99), 18 V trim router (cheap), angle grinder ($49), orbital sander ($pretty cheap), and probably a couple others I'm not remembering. So, less than $1000 for what normally would be many thousands worth of tools. I'm not going to try to pull off any major projects but they all come in handy for me when I need them.

If I remember right, the Makita plunge with the long and short tracks was about $600. Expensive, but cheaper than competitors and better. Very precise.

(I would also mention that I've torched one Ryobi orbital sander and 2 angle grinders on this project! All under warranty.) I am now blocking the air vents to avoid burning them up!

You may not be a mechanic but you appear to handle the woodworking stuff pretty well. I never get that "blade width thing" correct.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

But on a side note, I actually accomplished a bit today. I decided to remove the weird foam/glue layer on the hull. I'm now convinced more than ever that it was cosmetic...



If anyone runs into a boat that has this same feature: This stuff is NOXIOUS! Breathing this stuff in, by my guess, would be worse than fiberglass! My opinion. But, my angle grinder with a metal brush attachment made really short work of this stuff. I took it all of within about 1 1/2 hours.

Doing so also revealed where quite a bit of the water seepage was coming from. My rub-rail had about 500 screws in it, none of them sealed. I had the boat in the rain a bit today and you could see the water coming in through the holes and down BEHIND the weird foam layer. Because of the way the deck was laid out the water would have seeped right under the deck.

The deck and cap clamp to each other right where these leaks are occurring. Now that the funky foam is out, I'm going to clean it up good and do a couple of CSM applications under the cap at this clamp to seal all of the holes. (I'm going to fill them from the outside as well). Removing the foam didn't seem to have any effect on the structure of the hull either. Regardless, I'm probably going to go ahead with two layers of CSM and one of cloth where the foam was.

Good times...



Bad (but suprisingly good) beer, at $13 for 30)...



And, someone besides me is bound to understand this...

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Weekend bumpola

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Lam resin has arrived! Time for some progress maybe...

May have a motor buyer... more progress!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Free couch on the sidewalk=



Future boat seats? Free cushions, WTH?

And for minor amusement and video testing:

http://youtu.be/R2z4dSluw70

Perhaps someday I'll be able to post a useful video! For example, me learning how to turn this thing into seats! And yes, I wasn't able to accomplish anything today other than finding a free couch and unloading my resin shipment. With some hope I will finish grinding out the "weird foam layer", cleanup, and filling out some topside holes and scratches.

I can absolutely guarantee the boat will be flipped to work underside by Thursday! And if I'm lucky, I have a motor buyer for further funding or a NEW motor!

Nobody gets the "Mega-Maid" reference?

 

[coolbri70]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

i have been out on the river a couple times now, my boat is a couple feet longer than yours, not sure how much heavier, but i would not want anything less than the 85hp that is on it, thought i would share that as i know you are looking at motors, it's at 2700 rpm just to get up out of the water, and the wifey now wants it to pull some big tube and i'm not sure if its gonna have the guts for it

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I have my eyes on a 60, pending getting rid of mine. I'm not sure exactly what the fully loaded weight of my boat would be. I do know that now that I have it stripped, two people can lift it and flip it. Not very heavy.

I have no plans for river usage for this boat, but I would imagine anything over a 50HP would be able to make it move pretty well. We'll see anyway! I'm a long way off from having to make that decision. I'm hoping a good opportunity stumbles into my lap!

i have been out on the river a couple times now, my boat is a couple feet longer than yours, not sure how much heavier, but i would not want anything less than the 85hp that is on it, thought i would share that as i know you are looking at motors, it's at 2700 rpm just to get up out of the water, and the wifey now wants it to pull some big tube and i'm not sure if its gonna have the guts for it

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Got the remainder of my weird foam layer torn out tonight. What a treat that was. I'm probably going to have to add some layers to where the foam was to make up for it, but at least it's a small boat!

Finished filling topside holes and scratches. Sanding and fairing tomorrow... and flipping over.

But as always plans change. Got a guy driving 300 miles to come look at the motor! Fingers crossed!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Got a guy driving 300 miles to come look at the motor! Fingers crossed!

Good luck!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Opinions Needed:

I finally got all my supplies in to put a serious dent in this project. At this point I've had the boat up to work on some topside scratches and holes.

So, now that I have stuff, here are my options:

1. Keep it top up, level it out, and finish the stringers/deck/transom. Then flip to finish the bottom-side repairs.

or...

2. Flip and do bottom repairs. Flip again, finish stringers/deck/transom.

or...

3. Doesn't matter.

??

By the way, rolls of glass are cool.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Supplies, Supplies, Supplies!



Holy Moses. Time to go build a roller setup for my glass.

Here's a pic with the "weird foam layer" removed. Still a bit dirty. But I'm waiting on the opinion of what I should do next! (Hint)



Bad news of the day... my motor buyer bailed on me. *%$!. If I don't get rid of that thing I'm going to have to sell my new clubs! Nooooooooooooo!

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Opinions Needed:

I finally got all my supplies in to put a serious dent in this project. At this point I've had the boat up to work on some topside scratches and holes.

So, now that I have stuff, here are my options:

1. Keep it top up, level it out, and finish the stringers/deck/transom. Then flip to finish the bottom-side repairs.

or...

2. Flip and do bottom repairs. Flip again, finish stringers/deck/transom.

or...

3. Doesn't matter.

??

By the way, rolls of glass are cool.

Just start lammin man .. I would do the structural .. then flip ( or do the bottom repairs from the underside so you dont have to flip it ).

Holy Moses. Time to go build a roller setup for my glass.

2 cheap automotive jack stands and a pole and your good to go on a clean ground surface if you like ..

YD.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

It's lighter to flip now, but... If you flip her now and do the hull and paint it then flip her back you gotta be careful than you don't bang her around during the interior restore of stringers and transom and deck. All up to you. Personally, I'd finish up the inside now and flip her. she'll be heavier but not by much.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Thanks guys... that's where I was leaning too. The wood isn't really heavy at all. So, wth?

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

2 cheap automotive jack stands and a pole and your good to go on a clean ground surface if you like ..

YD.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean "a pole"?

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

2 cheap automotive jack stands and a pole and your good to go on a clean ground surface if you like ..YD

What do you mean "a pole"?

Get a length of pipe that will go thru the center of the glass roll & is long enough to be supported on either end by jack stand. Treat the roll of glass like a GIANT roll of toilet paper, the pole/pipe is the roller.