1969 Larson - Big Project

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I'm not sure what it'd cost to ship that motor, but it can't be cheap. Although it's 'free shipping' via UPS Ground in his shipping & payment details tab, it is clearly labelled down lower as going freight to a trucking terminal, or add an extra $100 for residential delivery & unless you have a loading dock or an engine hoist, it's another $50 for a lift gated truck.

All that ^^^ would indicate to me that the reserve is going to be fairly high for a 1965 electric shift motor. Esp 1 w/ a 60day warranty. That might make it more then I'd want to pay for it sight un-seen/un-heard in person until it showed up in my driveway..

It is a nice looking motor, and sounds like it'd be would arrive in good running order & be well crated for shipping. All depends on his reserve & how you feel about running the electric shift. Odd that it's in the 10hp & under ebay motor listings.....

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Well, the never-ending debate... where to buy resin??? Time to do some calculating...

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

OK, general question for the peanut gallery:

In my never ending quest to find a reasonable price on resins I've found my least expensive option, given my location is to just buy 3M (Bondo) resin at the DEPOT. However, I have now learned that all Bondo resins, just for everyone's reference, are in fact waxed.

My question is whether or not the experts think I am OK using this for all of my work, laminating, laying up, etc.? I know I will have to sand and acetone a bit between APPLICATIONS but I am ok with this.

Thoughts?

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

IMHO NO! You will need at least 10 gallons and prolly more and at their prices this is extremely pricey! You can get resin in the state of Washington for less money. http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/

10 gallons for around $260 bucks plus the MEKP and shipping. NO WAX. They have the Mat and the Cloth too. The mat and cloth at HD and Lowe's is to light weight for your purposes. This has been debated on multiple occasions and the general consensus is... Yes you can use it IF you want to sand and acetone between layers and IF you want to apply multiple layers due to it's lack of strength and IF you want to pay the higher price. Generally it is NOT recommended. It's your boat and your call. In my opinion it is not what you should use.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Note that WOG is talking about 2 5gal buckets of resin. That's not even available at HD/Lowe's as far as I know. Which sounds like A LOT of resin, but that's probably a minimum qty. I think Trooper83 is finishing his 3rd 5gal, and will probably need almost that much again, or more. He has a bigger boat, but you will use more then you think, and most definitely more then you buy the 1st time around.

It isn't even really a good way to pay as you build, using the single gallons. You will use a single gallon fairly quick, then another trip to HD for another gallon or 2, and repeat 5 or 6 times.

It's a huge pain in the arse to become a customer, and some CompositesOne locations are less motivated to help individuals, but just call another location. I can drive less then 1.75hr each way & save $300+/- vs hazmat shipping from Florida (less my gas to drive @$50). I don't have much time, but I have more time then cash to spend on hazmat shipping.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Contacted them. Fairly reasonable. Just wasn't sure on the HD stuff. I found it to be fine for filling screw holes and such.

What do you think of Isophthalic resin? I found a crazy dude willing to sell to me for $40 per gallon locally. Definitely saves on some shipping if it works!

Regardless, I'll bite the bullet and at the very least order some from the spot in WA.

IMHO NO! You will need at least 10 gallons and prolly more and at their prices this is extremely pricey! You can get resin in the state of Washington for less money. http://www.fiberglasssupply.com/

10 gallons for around $260 bucks plus the MEKP and shipping. NO WAX. They have the Mat and the Cloth too. The mat and cloth at HD and Lowe's is to light weight for your purposes. This has been debated on multiple occasions and the general consensus is... Yes you can use it IF you want to sand and acetone between layers and IF you want to apply multiple layers due to it's lack of strength and IF you want to pay the higher price. Generally it is NOT recommended. It's your boat and your call. In my opinion it is not what you should use.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

This is Isophthalic resin:

404 Tooling Polyester Resin-Isophthalic [SIZE=-1]404 is an isophthalic polyester resin that is used where strength and durability is a must. Experiences lower shrinkage and a higher heat distortion temperature than orthophthalic type polyester resins. Used extensively in boat hulls and in fiberglass mold construction. [/SIZE][SIZE=-2]Color: Dark Amber/Purple[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1] [SIZE=-1]Cat No.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Size[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]Price[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]SM-404025[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1 Quart[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]SM-404100[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]1 Gallon[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]$ 39.00[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]SM-404500[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]5 Gallon[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]$[/SIZE] [/SIZE] [SIZE=-1] [SIZE=-2]Technical Data(new window)[/SIZE] [/SIZE][SIZE=-2]All resin prices include catalyst. 1 Quart= 1oz, 1 Gallon=2oz, 5 Gal=6oz[/SIZE]

Note that it is listed for boat hulls & if you can get it local for $40/gal, see if you can get a well sealing 5gal bucket w/ lid & get it for even less, but yeah, if you trust the source to sell you non-old shelf stock resin. It does have a shelf life, even unmixed w/ MEKP....

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I will be sure to ask how old it is. I was just going to go buy a 5-gallon bucket and have him squeeze some off. He orders in bulk for making skis.

Don't know him, but he came recommended from a local boat fix-it shop. So...

 

[Yacht Dr.]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Dude .. thats Tooling resin .. You dont need that.

Just some Lam resin.

40 bucks a gal for resin.. way too much man for what your doing.

YD.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Sounds good to me. Man that's a huge cost (hazmat shipping) & time saver, you won't have to wait for an order to process, ship & for it to arrive. Just watch your supply of resin & MEKP, he may not be open when you run out. In non-original buckets, I wouldn't over buy. And check about the wax. 404 ISO resin is about that per gallon from US Comp when purchased by the gallon.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I checked with US today. They only ship one gallon per box, and you get charged shipping for each container. For me, shipping is $17 each gallon, bringing the total cost per gallon to $47 per gallon for marine grade. Average including shipping and hazmat on 5 gallons was even more. Again, this is due to my distance from Florida. Makes it tough.

I checked with fiberglasssupply.com. They are pretty competitive with US for resins. Average per gallon including shipping AND hazmat from them was $40 per gallon. That was on laminating resin. They win.

SO... because this is my first project I am bowing to the experts and buying the laminating from fiberglasssupply.com. Cheaper and only two shipping days from me.

And, since all of my questions are being answered tonight: anyone have experience using Rustoleum Marine paints? I can buy it a block from my house which is quite convenient. Any thoughts on thinning, hardener, rolling vs. spray, etc? I only ask because I'm closer to painting the bottom than anything else. I want it 100% done so I don't have to flip anymore!

Sounds good to me. Man that's a huge cost (hazmat shipping) & time saver, you won't have to wait for an order to process, ship & for it to arrive. Just watch your supply of resin & MEKP, he may not be open when you run out. In non-original buckets, I wouldn't over buy. And check about the wax. 404 ISO resin is about that per gallon from US Comp when purchased by the gallon.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

All that sounds great too. I thought the total w/ hazmat might make the laminating more expensive then the ISO.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project




I posted this on the engine forum as well, but since you all are already with me...

I found a guy who wanted to trade this 45hp evinrude for my 25hp merc. Only problem... he's not REALLY sure the particular vintage of the motor. He thinks it's from late 60's, early 70's.

Anyone recognize it? It looks to be in great condition, and he swears it runs great as well. And it just happens to be about exactly what I'm looking for for the right price...

ALSO, looks like this motor is using a cable system for steering. Mine is rack and pinion. Can I convert this motor to use my steering, or should I be doing a complete control swap as well should I chose to trade him?

Any thoughts here would be really welcome!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Answered one of my own questions: This is a 1961, 40HP. Just spoke with the owner again, he knows it runs but hasn't taken it out in 2-3 years. I'm no mechanic, not sure if that will be an issue or not.

Any advice on this particular vintage, as well as the steering system issue would be appreciated!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Epic materials en-route! I really hate being in the shipping "nexus" of the world.

I would toss out some advice I've learned in my very short career as a boat-rebuilder: for anyone repairing small scratches or holes with a resin/cabosil/bubbles mixture... be liberal with removing excess! This will make your life much easier when sanding and fairing. I've learned this the hard way on a couple of spots. But overall, getting quite good at the process. After all, I do have 43 years worth of blemishes to fix!

Since I'm a bit stuck on the project, I'll be putting some finishing touches on interior grinding, cutting some wood, and coming up with other battle plans until my stuff arrives! AND, I located my missing digital camera! So, no more crummy phone pics!

More to follow...

 

[Willyclay]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Answered one of my own questions: This is a 1961, 40HP. Just spoke with the owner again, he knows it runs but hasn't taken it out in 2-3 years. I'm no mechanic, not sure if that will be an issue or not.

Any advice on this particular vintage, as well as the steering system issue would be appreciated!

I'll take a crack at it since nobody else seems interested. No way I would swap that Mercury 25 for the 40 of unknown condition. IMHO you should concentrate on the boat project and then enjoy it with your existing motor and steering for the immediate future. Once at that point, then look for an upgrade motor that can be tested on a boat in the water under varying conditions. Good luck!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

That is the plan. I was hoping it was a bit more vintage to the boat, but not the case. My only two beefs with my current motor is firstly, it is too long at 23". XLS model I think. Aside from that it is a bit underpowered. BUT, it runs like a top.

I'm not going to give it up or sell it until I find exactly what I want. I'll either build up the transom or do a jack plate like before. When I get to that point anyway!

I'll take a crack at it since nobody else seems interested. No way I would swap that Mercury 25 for the 40 of unknown condition. IMHO you should concentrate on the boat project and then enjoy it with your existing motor and steering for the immediate future. Once at that point, then look for an upgrade motor that can be tested on a boat in the water under varying conditions. Good luck!

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Is it Electric Shift or Manual? Does it have all the controls? I have a 62 Selectric Shift Evinrude Lark IV and She's a GREAT motor. The old Rude's are strong runners and parts are still readily available and fairly easy to work on. You would have to do some fabrication to use your current steering but it's not that hard to do. PM andgott. He knows the old Rudes' really well and could give you some helpful hints.

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

I'm still debating on the old motor. I have no idea if it is manual or electric shift. Any way to tell? Owner has no clue either, and I'm not in the mood to drive 300 miles to find out!

In the meantime, just stumbled upon this one:

http://montana.craigslist.org/boa/3068252439.html

I'd say it's about perfect other than the fact that I am still stuck with my motor!

 

[avpaulb]

Re: 1969 Larson - Big Project

Is it Electric Shift or Manual? Does it have all the controls? I have a 62 Selectric Shift Evinrude Lark IV and She's a GREAT motor. The old Rude's are strong runners and parts are still readily available and fairly easy to work on. You would have to do some fabrication to use your current steering but it's not that hard to do. PM andgott. He knows the old Rudes' really well and could give you some helpful hints.

Here is the only info I have on it:



Some research also suggests that this particular motor may not have a generator, which I would view as a major drawback. Not sure though.