1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

KEVS79

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Hello, I am new here and had a question.
My dad has a 1983 Regal w/ 260 Mercruiser(350) and I am wanting to replace the block/heads w/a 305 out of a '79 Camaro. Will this work? Will everything(intake/carb, exhaust manifolds etc.) swap from the 350 to the 305? I know the Camaro engine has the two piece rear main......would the 1983 Mercruiser coupler work?

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Ayuh,... It'll work, but your loosing 50hp or better...
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Ayuh,... It'll work, but your loosing 50hp or better...

Thanks for the reply. I know I will loose the HP, but it is just a put around boat anyway. I have read something about one piece vs. two piece rear main seals....would this be an issue? Also read something about the dipstick side being an issue also. I know the Camaro has the dipstick on the drivers side(left side of engine).

Thanks again for the help!!
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

One piece rear main seal didn't come into existance until 1987. So if the 350 in the 83 model boat is original, the coupler will be fine. Everything else will be too.
But JEEZ, going from a 350 to a 305 is the worst idea I have heard in a long time. You're right it'll be a put around boat, cause it won't plane with 79 Camaro 305! That is about the worst engine choice you could make.
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

One piece rear main seal didn't come into existance until 1987. So if the 350 in the 83 model boat is original, the coupler will be fine. Everything else will be too.
But JEEZ, going from a 350 to a 305 is the worst idea I have heard in a long time. You're right it'll be a put around boat, cause it won't plane with 79 Camaro 305! That is about the worst engine choice you could make.


While I agree with you (to a point) on going from a 350 to a 305 being a bad idea.... I don't agree with how big of a turd you think 305's are. I run a stock 2bbl 200hp 305 in a 3000lb + tri-hull and I'm pushing 50mph.;) I do have power trim but still.....

They are great little motors... easier on the drive due to less tq but it isn't hard to get them to 270hp. IMHO a 270hp 305 is a much better option then a 260-270hp 350 since it's just plain easier on the I/O due to the 305 making 30 or so less ft lbs of torque but with the same hp as the 350. Your likely to get better mileage cruising with a 305 too.
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

It is impossible to get a 1979 305 to a useable, marine, 270 propshaft horsepower, unless you change everything about it to make it a Vortec engine. And that would cost way more money than it's worth.
A stock 1979 Camaro 305 is what, 150-160hp? Sure changing the camshaft to a real cam will help, but the heads are still a joke. So are the low compression pistons.
Fab, you can have your 305s, I'll take a 350 any day of the week and twice on Sunday, thank you.
 

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It doesn't matter what kind of car the motor came out of. You'll be losing at least 50 HP as Bondo says. If you don't re-gear the drive to match the engine, and you try running that 305 at WOT it's not going to do it. You won't make full RPMs and you'll end up lugging the motor, and blowing it up.
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

What all is wrong with the 350 that is in it now?
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

350s are everywhere, I'd pass on the 305 turd.
 

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While I agree with you (to a point) on going from a 350 to a 305 being a bad idea.... I don't agree with how big of a turd you think 305's are. I run a stock 2bbl 200hp 305 in a 3000lb + tri-hull and I'm pushing 50mph.;) I do have power trim but still.....

They are great little motors... easier on the drive due to less tq but it isn't hard to get them to 270hp. IMHO a 270hp 305 is a much better option then a 260-270hp 350 since it's just plain easier on the I/O due to the 305 making 30 or so less ft lbs of torque but with the same hp as the 350. Your likely to get better mileage cruising with a 305 too.

WOW! I don't think I have ever "heard" someone argue the merits fo a 305 before. EVER!

In a pre vortec era - the better choice is a 4.3L - same power less weight on the stern. the 305's only had two advantages here - they sound sweet, and one less thing to worry about when you upgrade to a 350, the motor mountsare in the right place to start with.

The 305 is easier on the drive...... true BUT:

A standard 350 is well within the torque capacity of an alpha drive. Keep the lube changed, the prop submerged while running, and keep the water on the outside of the gearcase and there will be no discernable difference in MTF by "removing" 30-40 ft/lbs of torque.

305 gives better cruise economy.....based on what?

30mph in any given hull will require a set amount of hp to maintain. That amount of hp will requier the same amount of air and fuel, no matter how large the engine is or how fast it is spinning to produce it. Of couse you can argue that the smaller displacement engine will most likely be running at a wider throttle angle and would therefor suffer less pumping loss, but in a boat you will never be able to measure it. It is just too small of a difference. This is again where the 4.3 would be a better choice than the 305, because of the weight savings(100lbs lighter) This is enough to produce results that are measurable, but they are still small enough to be considdered insignificant. On my boat (an 18' BR - vhull) 100 lbs equals a little less than 1mph at WOT. This is a little more than a 2% gain. At cruise speeds, I have no data, but assuming the same 2% gain in hull efficiency(it would actually be less) we are only talking about less than .1mpg.

Check out some of the boat building site, you can find charts where they show the effect of weight vs hp. small changes in weight = large changes in power for the same results. Of course all of this assumes we are talking about planing speeds, but I don't think Regal ever made a displacement hull.

OP - exactly what kind of boat are we talking about here? If this is just a small runabout, then the 305 will be adequate, after you compensate for the lost power by replacing the prop and/or regearing the drive. And don't forget to swap the head gaskets and core plugs, or you will be pulling this engine back out very soon. If this is any kind of cruiser, then all of the "turd" comments apply.
 

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I think I "talk" too much.....
 

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If you do use the Camaro's engine then you have a non running car to push around. Again. Best option is like others have suggested, to find a 350 of proper vintage elsewhere. If you are patient one will jump up soon I am sure.

You might list all that you know is wrong with what is in the boat now. Maybe it is not as bad as you think.
 

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305 gives better cruise economy.....based on what?

30mph in any given hull will require a set amount of hp to maintain. That amount of hp will requier the same amount of air and fuel, no matter how large the engine is or how fast it is spinning to produce it. Of couse you can argue that the smaller displacement engine will most likely be running at a wider throttle angle and would therefor suffer less pumping loss, but in a boat you will never be able to measure it. It is just too small of a difference.
So totally, perfectly accurate. Awesome!! All true, but so what? I agree completely.

I think I "talk" too much.....
In this example me thinks you talked just right :cool:
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Thanks for all the input!! Basically the 350 in the boat was professionally rebuilt about 100 hours/20 years ago and my Dad hardly ever uses the boat......maybe once a year. I was looking for a 350 for my Camaro and he said I could swap them if I wanted. So both engines run good and basically the rebuilt 350 would be getting used now.

I understand it will be under powered, but it sounds like it will still be usable. My concern is will it hurt anything mechanically? Should I change the freeze plugs in the 305 to corrosion resistant ones?
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Okay let me clear a few things up...

I'm running a OMC 800 not an alpha so it makes sense for me to be short that 30ft lbs of tq since 800's are pretty much at the limit with a 260hp 350. :) That little 305 is perfect for MY boat.

Also when I say that 305's aren't the turd everyone thinks they are, well... lets just say I've see plenty of articles on 330hp 305's with nothing more then heads, exhaust, intake, and a cam. I'm not saying a 350 wouldn't be a better option (because it is) but 305's aren't exactly slouches.

Also when I said it'll get better mpg at cruising I had it twisted..... it'd be more like 3/4-full throttle.

As for getting a 305 to 270hp.... gm sells a vortec version with that exact amount of power. Or you could go the cheaper route and find some '416 casting heads from a junkyard and have them ported and rebuilt.


To the OP,

Now, with that being said if I had a 350 I would want to keep it. It would be HARD for me to put a 305 in a 350's place. I agree with the others. You might want to wait and see if you can find a 350.
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Yes change the core plugs to brass, and you will need marine head gaskets also. However, it seems like a lot, ok,it is, a lot of work just to get a 350 for your car. 'nutcase
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Thanks for all the input!! Basically the 350 in the boat was professionally rebuilt about 100 hours/20 years ago and my Dad hardly ever uses the boat......maybe once a year. I was looking for a 350 for my Camaro and he said I could swap them if I wanted. So both engines run good and basically the rebuilt 350 would be getting used now.

I understand it will be under powered, but it sounds like it will still be usable. My concern is will it hurt anything mechanically? Should I change the freeze plugs in the 305 to corrosion resistant ones?
Alright, now it makes sense. It's not that you want to replace a 350 in a boat with a 305 out of a car.....It's that you want to replace a 305 in a car with a 350 out of a boat. We are upgrading the Camaro here at the expense of the boat. Yeah, it'll work, put brass CORE plugs in the 305 and make sure it has composite headgaskets and not steel shim gaskets and swap over the carb and maybe intake if you have to. There are other more minor changes that you should make, but probably don't really have to make.
 

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Re: 1983 Mercruiser 260 replace w/305??

Alright, now it makes sense. It's not that you want to replace a 350 in a boat with a 305 out of a car.....It's that you want to replace a 305 in a car with a 350 out of a boat. We are upgrading the Camaro here at the expense of the boat. Yeah, it'll work, put brass CORE plugs in the 305 and make sure it has composite headgaskets and not steel shim gaskets and swap over the carb and maybe intake if you have to. There are other more minor changes that you should make, but probably don't really have to make.

I guess I should have explained it more in the beginning. Thanks for the input though. The Camaro engine is original...never been apart, I wonder if it has steel shim or composite headgaskets?
 

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It would be simpler to hop up the 305 in the Camaro or find a 350 for it from another source. I am just thinking about having both a running car and boat once you are done. It will be easier to just work on the car, engine compatibility is not as much of an issue. I understand that the economy of the situation is enticing, but I can also look ahead to see a situation of neither vehicle running like you wanted.
 
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