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Hey Glen,

Goin' dark side I see... :D Sounds like you have a reasonable plan given that the boat build intended the foam to add a structural element to it. To get the proper drain channels you could also use a flexible pvc or flexible pipe that could also be cut length wise (or not) so that the pipe could be left in place rather than trying to remove it. A variation of B2's idea.

Just some thoughts there... no doubt you'll come up with a great idea!

Jim
 

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What's a little foam between friends? I mean beer foam. :p But I have been thinking about expanding foam as well. This my idea to allow drainage;

Cut some PVC corrugated roof panels (like these) with the channels at right angles to the stringers and fit between the ribs. Cut some more to fit between the stringers, channels running fore and aft. Seal all the joints with your favorite color duct tape to keep the foam out of the channels. Possibly overkill but maybe some plastic sheet over the corrugated to keep the foam dry.
 

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What's a little foam between friends? I mean beer foam. :p But I have been thinking about expanding foam as well. This my idea to allow drainage;

Cut some PVC corrugated roof panels (like these) with the channels at right angles to the stringers and fit between the ribs. Cut some more to fit between the stringers, channels running fore and aft. Seal all the joints with your favorite color duct tape to keep the foam out of the channels. Possibly overkill but maybe some plastic sheet over the corrugated to keep the foam dry.

GA - Man you are getting super creative!!! Likin' man! Likin' it! :)

Ok if we're getting creative here... one could use building foundation membrane (the one with the little stipled raised circles)... lay it right on the hull between the ribs. Then spray foam right over the membrane... water will drain on both sides and keep the foam up off the alum --- but still be tight enough to give the hull rigidity!!!

J.
 

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You guys are way over thinking. I kept all my foam outboard of the center 2 stringers. With the deeper hulls (V5's & newer like Glens), you'd have to have 6" of standing water in the hull before it got to the foam. If the deck seams are sealed, how would water get down to the foam from above? I don't see the need for drainage channels when I have a 24" wide by 12" deep channel running right down the middle. The only way my foam could get wet is if my hull is breached which means I got bigger probs than wet foam.
Anyway Glen, that was my thinking. Oh, and even with the whole center foam free, calculations show I have 2800lbs of positive flotation.
 

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The second problem I am concerened with is the hull itself. The cross ribs in the hull are 18" apart, 4"more than on the 16 or 18 SS, when you stand on the hull aluminum between the ribs you can feel the aluminum flex somewhat. I am really thinking that the pour foam they installed in this boat at the factory was was not only flotation, but structual to support the aluminum between the ribs.
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I'm not convinced you should worry about that flex. Just my opinion Glen... but I would take that blue foam back and get some 3/4" and 1" thick stuff. It'll cut easier for you and you'll stand a better chance of getting it tight up against the new floor.
 

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rip some sections of PVC pipe lengthwise to cover the channel areas before you pour? i'm fine with pour foam.....you won't be the next guy restoring that boat! <EVIL LAUGH>

as i've said before, i think the factory wasn't entirely crazy to use the stuff. in addition to structural issues, there's the NOISE factor. adhering a semirigid foam to back of entire hull below waterline has to help with the BOOM. so you gotta keep the boat covered and drained....big deal....the leather upholstery on your Ferrari will rot too if you leave the windows open.


B2 dark side is right winters coming fast.
Hey Glen,

Goin' dark side I see... :D Sounds like you have a reasonable plan given that the boat build intended the foam to add a structural element to it. To get the proper drain channels you could also use a flexible pvc or flexible pipe that could also be cut length wise (or not) so that the pipe could be left in place rather than trying to remove it. A variation of B2's idea.

Just some thoughts there... no doubt you'll come up with a great idea!

Jim

Great Ideas guys.

What's a little foam between friends? I mean beer foam. :p But I have been thinking about expanding foam as well. This my idea to allow drainage;

Cut some PVC corrugated roof panels (like these) with the channels at right angles to the stringers and fit between the ribs. Cut some more to fit between the stringers, channels running fore and aft. Seal all the joints with your favorite color duct tape to keep the foam out of the channels. Possibly overkill but maybe some plastic sheet over the corrugated to keep the foam dry.

Beer foam ahhhhhhh, good ideas though

GA - Man you are getting super creative!!! Likin' man! Likin' it! :)

Ok if we're getting creative here... one could use building foundation membrane (the one with the little stipled raised circles)... lay it right on the hull between the ribs. Then spray foam right over the membrane... water will drain on both sides and keep the foam up off the alum --- but still be tight enough to give the hull rigidity!!!

J.

Jim I had thought of of that stuff, but have to buy it in a huge qauntity, too much $ and there is not a lot of new home construction goin on around here for me to scrounge some.


You guys are way over thinking. I kept all my foam outboard of the center 2 stringers. With the deeper hulls (V5's & newer like Glens), you'd have to have 6" of standing water in the hull before it got to the foam. If the deck seams are sealed, how would water get down to the foam from above? I don't see the need for drainage channels when I have a 24" wide by 12" deep channel running right down the middle. The only way my foam could get wet is if my hull is breached which means I got bigger probs than wet foam.
Anyway Glen, that was my thinking. Oh, and even with the whole center foam free, calculations show I have 2800lbs of positive flotation.

I'm likeing your way of thinking there DJ, I can fill the hull outboard of the stringers, use the foam board in the center with a drainage channel I will be good to go. The decking seams will be sealed, as well the vinyl flooring will be layed in such a way that all seams will overlap shingle style, ie; the vinyl on the floor will come up the sides 6 inches and the side will go over that. Any and all water has to flow to the stern on the deck to exit the bilge.

I'm not convinced you should worry about that flex. Just my opinion Glen... but I would take that blue foam back and get some 3/4" and 1" thick stuff. It'll cut easier for you and you'll stand a better chance of getting it tight up against the new floor.

CJ the flex is real noticable, I think because of the rib spacing on this hull, DJ how far apart are the ribs on your V5? If I go to 1" foam I will have 416 pieces to cut out yikes I see what your saying, but its the hull that is swaying me.

Oh ya almost forgot, stealing away to the lake for the last time this year. The Walleye are biting like crazy, kinda pushing the envelope on taking the 18 SS out this late in the year, but the weather forcast is great. Hopefully get away early this afternoon.

Oh ya and one more thing my floor vinyl arrived yesterday, love it. Up until I found this supplier I could not get Nautalex delivered to Canada. This is a Canadian supplier, with super pricing and shipping so if any of my fellow northerners want the link let me know.
 

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I'm likeing your way of thinking there DJ, I can fill the hull outboard of the stringers, use the foam board in the center with a drainage channel I will be good to go. The decking seams will be sealed, as well the vinyl flooring will be layed in such a way that all seams will overlap shingle style, ie; the vinyl on the floor will come up the sides 6 inches and the side will go over that. Any and all water has to flow to the stern on the deck to exit the bilge.

Exactly! The flooring will be a catch-all for any water on top. I'm very interested in how your going to seam the vinyl and post up the vinyl flooring link as i'd like to take a look.
 

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Hey DJ, the vinyl is called Seaway by Nautelex, I bought it here www.outdoorfabricscanada.com according to the person I spoke with the recommended way to seam is to butt the edges and seal with a transparent vinyl seam sealer. I am going to play with that idea a bit, but I am also considering covering the seam with a 1"x 1/16"strip of aluminum. The seam will run right down the center of the deck, so it will be very short when you take out the ski locker, the two fuel tank access ports and my bow storage compartment. I figure I will need about 3.5-4'of the aluminum?
 

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Glen,
I haven't noticed much flex between the ribs on my V5. Even if there is a little bit of flex when you step between them, you are putting a lot of weight on a small area. Water will disperse the weight of the hull dramatically. Subtract the weight of the pour in foam, and that makes the support even less of an issue. The only other time hull flex could become an issue is while it is sitting on the trailer. Depending on the style, this shouldn't be an issue if you have a bunk style where the bunks run the length of the hull (spanning multiple ribs). I had an older glasser that had sat on a trailer with pivoting bunks about 3ft long in the back running lengthwise and two arms in the front that ran perpendicular to the keel. The hull was warped both in the front and the back from sitting on these bunks (making me a big fan of long bunk trailers). The previouse owner did not have the boat set up on the trailer correctly, distributing the majority of the weight on the keel. Just my thoughts.
 

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Glen,
I haven't noticed much flex between the ribs on my V5. Even if there is a little bit of flex when you step between them, you are putting a lot of weight on a small area. Water will disperse the weight of the hull dramatically. Subtract the weight of the pour in foam, and that makes the support even less of an issue. The only other time hull flex could become an issue is while it is sitting on the trailer. Depending on the style, this shouldn't be an issue if you have a bunk style where the bunks run the length of the hull (spanning multiple ribs). I had an older glasser that had sat on a trailer with pivoting bunks about 3ft long in the back running lengthwise and two arms in the front that ran perpendicular to the keel. The hull was warped both in the front and the back from sitting on these bunks (making me a big fan of long bunk trailers). The previouse owner did not have the boat set up on the trailer correctly, distributing the majority of the weight on the keel. Just my thoughts.

Hey Tig thanks for stopping by,I agree on the bunks totally, I will be converting to them. I think DJ has it right on the foam idea, along the outside of the stringers and foam board cut with drainage on the inside.
 

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Well we had a wonderful weekend at the lake, weather was perfect for Sept. The fish were biting but not in the lake only in the creek where we camp, so I used the boat anyway, tied the boat to the dock and sat there catching fish, doesn't get much better. Weather for this week is not good, freezing with snow and rain, good thing we came home early yesterday and I got the ole 72 winterized.

Arrived at camp.

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Relaxing

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Two guys, an afternoon of fishing, pretty good.

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Nice catch... but who's that guy snoozing on the boat at the dock??? :) :) Did you really catch the fish... or are they from your neigbor's catch??? :)

Looks very fallish... yikes! Glad though that you were able to get out one last time before winter comes!

Looks like a great setup!

Jim
 

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Nice mess-o-fish, DII. A good end to the 2012 season!
 

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Fresh fish on a beautiful fall day, tough to beat man! Excellent:D
 

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Nice catch... but who's that guy snoozing on the boat at the dock??? :) :) Did you really catch the fish... or are they from your neigbor's catch??? :)

Looks very fallish... yikes! Glad though that you were able to get out one last time before winter comes!

Looks like a great setup!

Jim

That was me, and yes I was snoozing, sun felt awsome. There were no neighbours, they were all packed up and gone home. The fellow that has the little motor home next to us, just brings it and his boat out in the spring and takes it home in the fall, only seen him once.
Great place real quiet.


Nice mess-o-fish, DII. A good end to the 2012 season!

Thanks GA, ya I really hate to see it end this year.

Fresh fish on a beautiful fall day, tough to beat man! Excellent:D

Hey Jason, ya we had a real feast Saturday night, but now it's time to settle in for 7 months of winter. yuk
 

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Got two cool shipments today, spray-in flotation foam and the last of the parts for the 4.3. I'm hoping to get the foam in this weekend as it is our Thanksgiving long weekend up here in the north. I will attempt to document it with lots of photos and bla-bla-bla.
 

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Got too cool shipments today, spray-in flotation foam and the last of the parts for the 4.3. I'm hoping to get the foam in this weekend as it is our Thanksgiving long weekend up here in the north. I will attempt to document it with lots of photos and bla-bla-bla.

Just don't mistake the spray in foam for Turkey stuffing!! :)

Nice... one step closer to being to being able to get that floor down!

Jim
 

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Got spray-in flotation foam

Wait, what? Spray in flotation foam? Details please :)

Fish look great! We didn't catch any keepers, but man, 20-30 Pin fish every am from the dock for a week, and a few Pompano every afternoon/early evening from the beach. Fabulous! And what a fight each & every hook up. I forgot how much fight saltwater fish put up, even the palm size +/-....... The 2 puffers & a croaker were interesting for sure too

remind me again, why did I come back & go to work today?:confused:?
 

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Just don't mistake the spray in foam for Turkey stuffing!! :)

Nice... one step closer to being to being able to get that floor down!

Jim

Turkey stuffing MMMMMMMM can't wait, will have to see how the weekend goes company coming.


Wait, what? Spray in flotation foam? Details please :)

Fish look great! We didn't catch any keepers, but man, 20-30 Pin fish every am from the dock for a week, and a few Pompano every afternoon/early evening from the beach. Fabulous! And what a fight each & every hook up. I forgot how much fight saltwater fish put up, even the palm size +/-....... The 2 puffers & a croaker were interesting for sure too

remind me again, why did I come back & go to work today?:confused:?

Thanks JBC, sounds like you had a great time fishing as well. The spary in foam is a product called Tiger Foam, we will see how it works.
 

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No progress at all this weekend, between Thanks giving, company and the Honey-do list, hopefuly soon spring is coming :facepalm::D
 
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