3.0L 'nilla milkshake

mikeinsac2004

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Okay, I got water in the oil. No doubt about it. Milky oil...Water droplets on oil cap.<br /><br />Now, what to do about it? I know I need to first locate the source of the problem. The boat runs fine in the water and out, no noticable problems at idle or wot. Hopefully that's a good thing.<br /><br />However, I don't know where to begin to check. Can someone give me a checklist from easiest to hardest of things I should check to narrow down the problem? I'd appreciate it. I've already gone through several pages looking for a similar post, but was unable to find one quickly so I am starting a new thread. Thanks for your help in advance.
 

Trent

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

Remove the riser and manfold and have them pressure checked. My bet is they are over ten years old and need replacement?? These are normally the problem if the engine has not been subject to freeze damage.
 

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Get the bad oil out and replace it and the filter ASAP,pull the sparkplugs out and turn over the motor with the starter to circulate the new oil and see if water is ejected from cylinders.since you will have the manifold off dont start the motor. Repeat oil and filter change until water is gone. Small indicators of water will burn off after manifold and or riser repair.
 
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Blk-n-Blu<br /><br />Not clear with part of your post. Should the manifold be off when I turn the motor over with spark plugs out?<br /><br />Also, help me understand something as I am new to this. If it is an exhaust manifold, why would there be water there? Assuming your response will be for cooling, then again if it is exhaust(gas escaping) how is water getting into the oil?
 
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And what will I be looking for when I pull the manifold and riser....is it something I can visually inspect or do I have to have it pressure tested?<br /><br />Also, as for removing the oil. Now that there is water in there, will I have to do something different that a normal oil change?
 

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The Exhaust Manifolds are Water Jacketed.......<br />When they Rust Thru, or Crack, Water is allowed in to the Exhaust Passages..... It finds it's way into the Cylinders,+ Down to the Base....<br /><br />You don't state Where you're from.....<br />Does it Ever get below 32*, for more than 8 hours.... Ever ????<br /><br />It Sounds like you Really Need a Mechanic.......<br />Or At Least a Shop Manual......<br />
Also, as for removing the oil. Now that there is water in there, will I have to do something different that a normal oil change?
A Standard Oil Change or two will Fix that issue.... Just Remember there's More oil than there Should be in the base......<br />
And what will I be looking for when I pull the manifold and riser....is it something I can visually inspect or do I have to have it pressure tested?<br />
It Might be Noticeable.... Or Maybe Not.......<br />Have them Tested at a MachineShop.......<br /><br />Blk-n-Blu's post Assumes you've Already pulled them.......<br /> Pull the plugs,+ spin it Before pulling the Manifold...<br />If there's water in the cylinders, you have a broken Manifold..........<br />If Not,<br />The Problem will be Much Deeper.......
 

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Just a funny thought Bondo.... What kind of grease do you use? (not a question for lubedude :) )
 

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Gun Grease...<br />Chassis Lube...<br />Whatever's on sale at the Parts House.......<br />I use about a case a week.......<br />Every Color of the Rainbow........<br /><br />The Only Speciality Grease I Own, is the Pretty Blue stuff, Merc. Spline Grease.......<br />I use it for Everything to do with the Boats...........
 

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

mikeinsac2004 I HAD THAT PROBLEM A MONTH AGO.I'M ALSO NEW TO THE BOAT LIFE, BEFOR YOU STARTE RIPING APART YOUR ENGIN REPLACE THE OIL AND FILTER.REMOVE YOUR PLUGS AND TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT EACH PLUG FOR WATER, TAP EACH PLUG IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND.IF YOU DO FIND WATER ON THE PLUG,REMOVE THE EXHAUST RISER AND CHECK THE GASKIT FOR A RUST CHANNEL TO THE EXHAUST .IF ITS IN GOOD CONDITION REMOVE THE EXHAUST MANIFOLD AND CHECK FOR CRACKS ,OR AS BONDO SAID TAKE IT TO A MACHINE SHOP TO HAVE IT CHECKED OUT. TAKE A LOOK AT MY POST AT WWW.THEMARINEDOCTOR.COM INBORD/STURNDRIVE
 

mikeinsac2004

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

Just read another post on muffs and it got me thinking. Before I took the boat out, I hooked it up to the muffs and turned the water on. Is it possible that I somehow put all the water into the oil myself and that I don't actually have a leak anywhere?
 

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

I just had the exact same problem. After days of debate on this site, I bought new manifolds, risers, and gaskets. New problem - getting the darn manifold bolts out. Good luck.
 

affa

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

Hi<br />I had the same thing with my 3,0L, my problem was a crack in the cylinder head<br />Regards<br />Affa
 
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Okay, finally got to pulling the exhaust manifold, which as I found out it the same as the intake manifold.<br /><br />The intake chambers on 1&2 were rust colored, but I wouldn't say they looked like they were deteriorating. Exhaust chambers on 1&2 were black and sooty with specs of rust here and there.<br /><br />The intake chambers on 3&4 looked to be a little more rusty, with some 'shiny' caked on areas. Minimal, but it wasn't present on 1&2. Exhaust chamber showed a few more specs of rust, but not much.<br /><br />Still not sure what the 'riser' is that everyone is talking about. The manifold connect directly do an elbow that routes the gases back down and then through the transom. Maybe I don't have a riser? Since it's off and from what I read only has about a 10 year life(I have a '92 Bayliner), should I just go ahead and replace it? If so, OEM or is aftermarket okay and where do you reccomend to purchase? Oh yeah, the drain plug didn't drain any water, but water did come out when I removed the unit.<br /><br />Since I still had a 1/2 hour of sun left, I pulled the valve cover to have a look. Caked on white goo everywhere..yuck. At any rate, I didn't want to go much further so I was just dinking around when I noticed 'one of these things didn't look like the other'. The valve spring cap on the intake valve of the #4 cylinder was gone. Parts of it(but not all) were laying around on top of the head. Not looking good.<br /><br />So, what now?????<br /><br />This valve assembly obviously needs to get fixed and I'm guessing that I should go ahead and pull the head since I'm getting into it...right? I have never done this before, but I am very handy and can follow directions well. Am I getting in over my head, yet?<br /><br />Assuming that I'm not yet over my head and you all say go for it, what next? My impression is that I need to remove the head and keep the rocker assemblies intact, except for removing the pushrods, which I understand can be done by loosening the rocker arms and have it serviced. But wait, I may still have a problem with a cracked head since I still haven't solved the water problem, so should I just bag it all and buy a new head? Does a new head come with the valve assembly?<br /><br />What about the missing metal valve cap pieces? If I can't find it anywhere, I assume it made it's way into the oil pan. Can I just leave it there? I don't know how hard it would be to remove while still in the boat, but I certainly had no plans to remove the entire engine. (I think I would just replace the engine if it came to that)<br /><br />Anything else I should be doing while I'm into it? Lot's to read, I know, but thanks for your patience. I know it's sick, but I'm kinda enjoying this process. :)
 

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Re: 3.0L 'nilla milkshake

Riser and Elbow are one in the same. Have them (manafold and riser)pressure checked before you remove the head. Usually its going to be a bad riser.
 

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Pull the Head,+ bring it to a MachineShop......<br />They'll tell you If it's Cracked......<br />They can fix you up with the missing parts.....<br />Heads can be bought either Fully Dressed, or Bare.....
 
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Okay, pulled the head and will take all parts to a machine shop tomorrow.<br /><br />Just curious though. When I pulled the head everything looked fine to me. I didn't see any rust in the cylinders or any sign of a leak on the surface of the block or the surface of the head. I guess I though I might see something blatantly wrong given the amount of water in the oil.<br /><br />If the head is cracked, is it often visible or hidden somewhere in the chambers?<br /><br />Also, if it's possible that the head, manifold and riser are fine, is there anywhere else that there might be a problem?<br /><br />Just thought I'd ask the questions as I had them. Hopefully the machine shop will help to narrow it down.
 
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