93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

93bayliner1800

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Hey everyone, thought I would start my own thread for you guys to follow, and be able to see specifics about my project. I mad my fist video of the project.....now lets see if I can get it uploaded.



 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Welcome to the iBoats dry dock! Nice intro video.

Since I am not familiar w/ Bayliner engineering, I won't be able to give you specifics, but since you asked for thoughts here are mine:
If you think it's still got the original stringers & bulkheads (it would be fairly apparent, even if it was re-done very carefully & accurately), I would put it back the way Bayliner built it. Be especially mindful of whether the foam was 'just' for flotation purposes, or for structural integrity of the hull & stringer system. I suspect it was for structural integrity. If so then no pool noodles & HD pink foam sheets, you're going to be using pour in foam. Given that the stringers & bulkheads will be glassed to the floor & each other, they should act as a unit, even more so after you add the deck (floor) and pour in foam. I suspect that the original thought of running continous bulkheads 1st is a function of both the multiple platforms using this hull & stringer combination and to resist torsional twist in the hull. Either to modify poor/rough handling, or to reduce fatigue of the hull & stringer system. If you had the I/O version it might make more sense to see the stringer & bulkhead layout for it w/ the motor mounts & all. They may have also been laid this way to reduce transmission of vibrations from the I/O motor mounts through out the hull.

When Bayliner built it originally, they were building thousands, so reduced employee or mechanized movements, reduced material expenses in general & using the same parts across several different boat models saved big money. Adding the foam as both structure & flotation was to achieve the same cost savings goal. Not to mention the ease w/ which an owner could over power this OB version, extra rigidity & resistance to fatique could have been a significant factor in the decision to build the under deck stringer system this way.

There has been some discussion of whether certain vintage Bayliners are more or less budget friendly originally at the expense of longevity. Except to clarify whether you need to reinforce or add additional structure to the hull, I don't think it matters whether this year & model fall into that category or not. If you put it back the way Bayliner built it, plus add better structure & much better pour in foam, and do a few steps that have been identified as longer lasting (poly & CSM both sides of the deck before laying it) this Bayliner will last more then the time you will likely own it & much longer. Surely longer then it did from the factory.

It's a good looking boat from what I could see in the video, and the debris & mess are about like most rehabs. Less fun & more work then we'd hoped to complete the demo.

May your stay in dry dock be:
Shorter then you thought
Less expensive then you planned
Much less painful then you expected
And signifiacantly more rewarding then you hoped

And yes, even just 1 out of 4 is GREAT! But I hope you can check all 4 boxes when your done

Welcome!
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Oh yeah, check the iBoats forum server 'similar threads' list at the bottom of your thread. There's a thread from last summer & fall on a 1985 Capri OB that may be useful to read
 

93bayliner1800

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Here is a quick update with a couple questions...so far. lol

 

93bayliner1800

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Ok...All rub rail base removed and rivets drilled out. Man, there is a lot of rivets! Have several questions in this video....feel free to give any input on top cap removal.
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Hi and Welcome to the dry dock!

First question is how are you supporting the hull? It should be off the trailer and on a cradle to keep if from flexing,twisting and spreading when you pull the top cap.

The cap will be heavy so the more hands the better ;) Take lots of measurements and photos of what is existing so you can duplicate what was there.

Get her all gutted and cleaned up.... Please use all the proper safety gear ie:Full face respirator,goggles,Tyvek suit,gloves etc. Fiberglass dust is real nasty in your lungs.

Read plenty of the resto threads and ask questions! Were all happy to guide you in your restore. Most of all HAVE FUN! It's a very rewarding project!
 

93bayliner1800

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Thanks, for the advice...would you take the windshields off or leave them on? I am leaving on the trailer and have added some extra supports and will be strapping sides so they will have same width measurement they do now. I am planning on gutting everything with top off...and rebuilding transom, then getting rear stringer and bulk head section for bilge and gas tank tabbed in then settiing top back on until deck is all tabbed in. Then I will move it once again to finish glassing deck around rear where it is hard to reach and building back boxes for under cap step in where transom is and under dashes in front then setting cap back on and mounting.
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Ok...I read a lot on oops and othrers post about the cradle and I feel much more confident now about mine. My trailer is not a roller type, and I have made braces for the sides and 3 points under the hull. I actually feel confident enough to almost not put it back on until I am finished.....ok...that oh crap it won't fit fear is too great! Lol.
 

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Thanks, for the advice...would you take the windshields off or leave them on?

The cap is already heavy, if you can get to the bolts & nuts holding it down, I'd take the windshield off. Even if that means removing the glass from the frames 1st. Window welting should be readily available. Less weight the better. Hopefully the center windshield section can be unscrewed & removed as well. Find a good home for the glass. After watching the last video, you'll need to lift the cap fairly high to clear some of the bow structure that looks like its part of the cap, and the side pockets of the aft deck area (where the throttle & gear levers are. If you can lift it w/ 2X4's from below, you could lift it & then suspend it from above w/ straps & etc, pull the hull & trailer out from under it, then build a platform that will sufficiently support the cap and lower it onto the platform. Andgott has a pretty good hull & cap setup in his Lake & Sea thread. WoodOnGlass has 1 in his Blue Flamingo thread too. And WOG has a good layup schedule pictured for stingers, transom & deck in his signature links too.

The area between the structure & weight of the windshield mounts & consoles and the rest of the rear gunnel rails, is a fatigue point & may be susceptible to cracking while lifting the cap so go slow. Most guys lift it just enough to get a flat 2X4 across to the other gunnel.

For the transom trim piece that is cracked you can try these places, search evil-bay, look for boat salvage yards in NC, or if you can find a Bayliner dealer that's been in business since 1990, you might get lucky & find them in his stock. Doubt it will help, but contact Bayliner, you never know, maybe. Or find a Bayliner owners group forum and ask around, they may have a good source or pieces they are no longer going to need.

A suggestion: In addition to the vids, you may want to post some text (esp Questions) and photos. It's much easier to reference & answer when you can quickly scan back up through the text. And it is often tough to watch a vid if I have a minute or 2 free at work. Some work places block all pix & vids through the server, so text would definitely help get some feedback & answers.
 

93bayliner1800

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Ok...thanks a lot for that info...will def also post text as well...didn't think about that. The windows will come off easily as they are not machine screws with nuts...just screwed to a piece of wood glassed in under top cap. Yeah I need to lift it almost 20 inches it looks like and take it off to the rear. Do I need to remove the side pieces...the o es that have shifter speakers etc?
 

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'Need' ~ maybe not, but the more the better, esp the control box (shifter/throttle) & the cables, that's a mess to possibly have dragging around while your trying to pull the cap. The speakers add weight too. That way once you clear the console stuff you can drop the cap to waist level to finish carrying it to where you can set it down. Have a fairly good plan of where & how you'll support the cap once you get it off. It may be there awhile...... And something to cover it while it waits to be reset. There may be a cap shaped brown spot'd lawn in your future.

You can kind of see that Bear has his cap sort of suspended over the hull while he works on it. You might PM him
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or CW did something similar:

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The cap in its storage position.
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

I use to build sail boats in the early 70's when I was a teen. The bottom was called the hull and the cap was called the deck. Before they were married together we put a thin layer of glass around the hull to secure the two. This was for water penetration and conbind strength. Don't know about Bayliner but if you have this problem we used a thin chisel and hammer to separate. We had to be careful to stay on that strip and not to chip the deck or the hull. Later you can repair the flange with new glass then grind to original finish (mask and coveralls). No mention of this so far
Like I said I don't know if Bayliner glassed the two together. Good Luck
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

ok....took the windshields off....that was a good bit of weight. it was a great idea...now I have my plan to support cap using the existing screw holes from windshield. Yeah I have a place to set the cap and have it all planned out! lol we all know how that goes! No, Bayliner did not glass in the seams....they barely glassed anything! I have found so many things I will do a much better job of in building this boat back. I will use mostly screws when I put cap back on...only using rivets in those really hard to reach places. well here is my video for tonight.
 

93bayliner1800

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WOW! Finally got the top cap separated at the transom...they really had sealed that well. I am curious what the material they used to seal it with and shot some of it in the video along with how I got it separated.
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

got the whole cap separated and ready to lift off.
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Sure looks like bondo to me....
 

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Re: 93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

Check under the hull where you were using the floor jack for hair line cracks in the gel coat. Too much stress might do that.
 

93bayliner1800

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@riptorn....I set the jack on top of where the gas tank used to be....there is two pieces of glassed plywood under the jack as to distribute the weight over a large area. Otherwise I would have placed something there to distribute the weight. Good looking out though. Thanks
 

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@riptorn....I set the jack on top of where the gas tank used to be....there is two pieces of glassed plywood under the jack as to distribute the weight over a large area. Otherwise I would have placed something there to distribute the weight. Good looking out though. Thanks
You are a very smart lad. I am really going to enjoy your updates on your progress. From the looks so far it's easier to build than take apart.
Just remember safety is first priority!
 
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