Another new guy looking for his first boat

Joe Link

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I'm sure you guys get this same question time and time again. I'm another new guy looking to buy his first boat. I've looked at the questions asked of others in my situation, so I'll try to answer as many as I can here. I've been looking at boats like the Bayliner 185, that's the style I'm looking for (I think!).

- Budget: Anywhere from 3k to 7k. I have $3k cash to spend, and I'll finance the rest if there's a huge difference between a $3-4k boat and a $6-7k boat. In my experience it's always cheaper and less of a headache to buy the cleanest vehicle you can initially, rather than buying cheap and dealing with repairs. I'd say $8k is my absolute max. No matter how clean the boat looks, I will definitely be paying for a professional survey. In a lot of ways I'd rather have a cheaper boat that I'm not going to cry over too much when my brother puts a fish hook through the side of the seat. On the flip side of that, I don't want to captain the turd of the lake.

- Location: I live in Portland, OR. The boat will be used on freshwater rivers and lakes.

- Purpose/Useage: Most of the time we'll be cruising around or pulling a tube, but I'd like to use it for fishing and skiing as well. I'd imagine I'd usually have 4-5 people on board, though I'd like to buy the largest boat I can afford (thinking 18'-21').

- Tow Vehicle: I have a 1996 Land Cruiser and access to an array of full size V8 vehicles, no problem there. It will be trailered.

- Features: I know I want an open bow, that's a must for me. I need a stereo, or at least provisions to install one. I'd really prefer an outboard for multiple reasons, cost of maintenance being #1, but it seems there just aren't many newer boats (late 90's+) with them. Other than those three things, I don't know what else I'd need.

- Mechanical Knowledge: My father is a mechanic and I'm pretty handy, but for the most part we'd probably be paying others to do any sort of work that needs to be done.

Thanks in advance!
 
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:welcome: to iboats

This being another opinion page who knows what will come, but here goes

There is a very wide selection for 19 to 21 footers and while a fish and ski may work, I think along the line of a regular open bow runabout. Finding one in your price range should not be an issue, but financing could be due to age. Check with your bank but it's my understanding many will not loan on a boat over 10 years old. Your 8K max could cause some issues finding a clean one. Best method is word of mouth, then just a lot of looking.

Get something with at least a 5.0 but 5.7 would be better. If you kept with a 19 footer your truck should have no issue pulling it. Also with a 19 footer you could go to a 4.3 V6. Both Volvo and Mercruiser make good equipment, I like Merc because there are more of them out there. Parts are easy to find and most parts can be found as aftermarket if need be. When looking look over everything, including under hatches, transom, bilge everything. Look for any discoloration because this could be a problem later or someone trying to cover something up.

Good luck
 

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Welcome Joe.. check trailer condition also,, it's likely that any older 19-20 ft boat will have no break system on the trailer... check your regs, but most breaks are required if your towing over 3000lb your 19-20 ft boats will weigh minimum 2500lbs, the older they are the heavier they are (generally).... even if your towing around 2000, get breaks,,, your breaks (truck) will thank you....to completely install break system with single axle, rotor/hub.. complete,, gonna be about 500-750$
 

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Re: Another new guy looking for his first boat

Thanks for the replies guys.

Can anyone recommend a good starting point of models in my price range I should look into? I know what I want but I have no idea where to start.
 

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I would look a C list, boat trader, and here iboats has a boats for sale section.
 

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Re: Another new guy looking for his first boat

:welcome: to iboats

This being another opinion page who knows what will come, but here goes

There is a very wide selection for 19 to 21 footers and while a fish and ski may work, I think along the line of a regular open bow runabout. Finding one in your price range should not be an issue, but financing could be due to age. Check with your bank but it's my understanding many will not loan on a boat over 10 years old. Your 8K max could cause some issues finding a clean one. Best method is word of mouth, then just a lot of looking.

Get something with at least a 5.0 but 5.7 would be better. If you kept with a 19 footer your truck should have no issue pulling it. Also with a 19 footer you could go to a 4.3 V6. Both Volvo and Mercruiser make good equipment, I like Merc because there are more of them out there. Parts are easy to find and most parts can be found as aftermarket if need be. When looking look over everything, including under hatches, transom, bilge everything. Look for any discoloration because this could be a problem later or someone trying to cover something up.

Good luck



+1^^^ Also as this is your first boat I would highly recommend taking a boating safety course either on line or through you closest Coast Guard Auxiliary.
 

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In your price range, if something like THIS or THIS would work out, it could be a real nice starter boat. The 22'er will be a dog for skiing, but won't be bad for tubing. Should be a gem for cruising or fishing, but she's a big boat too so rivers might be a struggle depending on the water - And it's missing your open bow.

The 16' looks like the floor might be questionable, and a 65' will do okay for skiing if you have a light load of folks on board. However, it'll trailer easy and run in near about any water you come across.

Those are just suggestions that I could quickly find based on what you wrote. There were a couple of I/O's that I would look at in that range too. Not really as nicely suited for fishing, but nicer for cruising.

BTW - I typically suggest O/B boats for new boaters (I think they're easier to learn on), but I wouldn't be afraid of the I/O boats. I don't really think there's any major maintenance differences between them.

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Re: Another new guy looking for his first boat

Thanks for the replies guys.

Can anyone recommend a good starting point of models in my price range I should look into? I know what I want but I have no idea where to start.
Just like with buying a used car or truck, I would plan to set aside a portion of your budget for initial repairs. If you've read these forums enough, you've read enough stories of first-time boaters getting hit with repair bills because the motor or boat weren't quite as sound as they expected.

If your dad is a mechanic, take him and someone knowledgeable about boats with you after you've narrowed down the choices. They will undoubtedly provide good, additional insight during the purchase process.

I don't know anything about the type of boats that you're interested in buying, so hopefully you get some good advice from others.
 

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Re: Another new guy looking for his first boat

I bought my first boat, now I am completely rebuilding my first boat. Stringers, deck, foam. All water logged. Just be carefull and make sure to do a really good inspection.

My vote is for outboard. In my opionion a little easier to work on. Now the powerhead maybe not but the lower unit and drive train are. I hear of bellows and risers going bad fairly often. Also, winterizing every year for the inboards seems like an annoying task. I am a year around boater and don't have climate controlled garage.

I think an old starcraft or the such should treat you right. If it has a mid 90's johnson or rude. Even better. Just what I prefer :)

Good luck!!
 

Joe Link

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Re: Another new guy looking for his first boat

Thanks again for the replies everyone. I'll definitely be taking a boater safety course, and if there are courses on advanced boating I'll likely take them too. As for inspection, I'll be paying for a survey on whichever I buy. I'd rather leave something that important up to the professionals. My father will be going with me to look at each boat we look at, so I will have a mechanic and prior boat owner present with me.

As for asking about where to start, I was more looking for specific makes and models that might fit my needs, rather than where to find them. You know, this Sea Ray vs this Bayliner, stay away from this year/model/engine, etc. Maybe it'd be best if I just started posting examples of boats that catch my eye and we can go from there?

For example, the Bayliner 185's had a change in construction during the late 90's making them less prone to rot, didn't they? Also, as for my outboard preference, I'm finding it extremely difficult to find boats newer than the mid 90's with outboard engines. If I have to go with an I/O setup, which are the most reliable, fuel efficient, and easy to work on?

Lastly, I appreciate the links to those boats, not really the style I'm looking for though. Definitely looking for more of a cruise/ski style boat (such as the Bayliner 185) than a fishing boat.

Here are a couple that caught my eye:

monterey 180 edge
Sea Ray wakeboard tower 180 7,800$ this weekend only
1993 SEA RAY 180 - Nice inexpensive bowrider! OFFERS??
1995 20' Monterey Montura 196
1996 16' Bayliner 1600ls open bow boat 40th year edition
 

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Welcome Joe.. check trailer condition also,, it's likely that any older 19-20 ft boat will have no break system on the trailer... check your regs, but most breaks are required if your towing over 3000lb your 19-20 ft boats will weigh minimum 2500lbs, the older they are the heavier they are (generally).... even if your towing around 2000, get breaks,,, your breaks (truck) will thank you....to completely install break system with single axle, rotor/hub.. complete,, gonna be about 500-750$

This honestly hurt reading it.


Most states require BRAKES so that you do not break your new boat.


The simple answer here is get an 18-20 foot aluminum bow rider, i.e. Lund, Starcraft, Sea Nymph, or Smokercraft.
 
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As for asking about where to start, I was more looking for specific makes and models that might fit my needs...
Used boats is mostly about condition. Make and model typically are going to fall into second place consideration. Any well cared for hull may suit your needs just fine and the best quality original build neglected over the years will drain your wallet and your patience.

As a rule (but not unbreakable) steer clear of OMC stern drives. They've been outta' business for years and parts and service are a little sticky. Force and Chrysler outboards are typically something you want to avoid as well for much of the same reason. Though, there are plenty of forum members who keep any of the above merrily cruising along for years.

Maybe it'd be best if I just started posting examples of boats that catch my eye and we can go from there?
Heck yeah! We love spending your money … I mean … er, ummm … we'd be glad to help you evaluate options.

The 180 Edge has a new motor in it, but doesn't look old enough to need one. Kinda' wonder about that. Picture of the cover would have me a little concerned about how well she was kept.

I like the look of the Sea Ray with the wake tower (2nd ad), but it feels a little pricey for my area. It looks well kept though, and the ad reads well. Definitely worth a look.

The '93 Sea Ray looks kinda' rough. Price isn't bad, and maybe it just needs to be cleaned up. I would look at that one expecting to walk away. Picture of the engine bay makes me wonder how well the servicing was kept up.

The '95 Monterey looks like one worth lookin' at.

The Bay isn't a bad boat, and well kept might be a good option. I'd be leery of the Force, but mainly because I'd want to see how that boat performed with a 90HP. Force motors weren't anything to write home about, but some of 'em worked pretty well. They weren't all that hard to service, but you seemed to have to service 'em a lot. I'm partial to Evinrude/Johnson motors, so I'd lean away from that boat.
 

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Thanks again for the replies everyone. I'll definitely be taking a boater safety course, and if there are courses on advanced boating I'll likely take them too. As for inspection, I'll be paying for a survey on whichever I buy. I'd rather leave something that important up to the professionals. My father will be going with me to look at each boat we look at, so I will have a mechanic and prior boat owner present with me.

As for asking about where to start, I was more looking for specific makes and models that might fit my needs, rather than where to find them. You know, this Sea Ray vs this Bayliner, stay away from this year/model/engine, etc. Maybe it'd be best if I just started posting examples of boats that catch my eye and we can go from there?

For example, the Bayliner 185's had a change in construction during the late 90's making them less prone to rot, didn't they? Also, as for my outboard preference, I'm finding it extremely difficult to find boats newer than the mid 90's with outboard engines. If I have to go with an I/O setup, which are the most reliable, fuel efficient, and easy to work on?

Lastly, I appreciate the links to those boats, not really the style I'm looking for though. Definitely looking for more of a cruise/ski style boat (such as the Bayliner 185) than a fishing boat.

Here are a couple that caught my eye:

monterey 180 edge
Sea Ray wakeboard tower 180 7,800$ this weekend only
1993 SEA RAY 180 - Nice inexpensive bowrider! OFFERS??
1995 20' Monterey Montura 196
1996 16' Bayliner 1600ls open bow boat 40th year edition

Although at point of construction the sea ray was a better built boat than the bayliner when you look at boats of this vintage you are more looking at how they were maintained then built. Out of the boats you listed above I liked the less expensive sea ray both because it was garaged and the seating vinyl was in much better shape. Assuming everything checks out on the boat this is what we call a "garage queen" meaning it was always stored indoors. The 20 Monterey also looked nice. The types of things you want to avoid are Yamaha i/o's as they don't make or support them anymore. OMC engines and i/o's as they went out of business 10+ years ago and as a rule parts are getting harder to come by. (although there were a few years when they partnered with volvo when they made the cobra i/o so parts for the outdrive only could still be purchased through volvo) i/o engines built by FORD as all manufactures have now gone to GM blocks. (again getting parts is harder and harder) Force outboards like on the Bayliner above. Just not a good motor. A merc 470 i/o as they have a tendency to over heat. As far as ease of repairs go both Volvo and merc are good for that. It just comes down to if you have more dealers of one than the other in your area. In other words if you have a ton of merc dealers in your area and no volvo dealers what do you do if you get stuck with a volvo you can't or don't want to tackle? or vice versa? a 5.0 or a 5.7 are probably the 2 most reliable motors but only because they make the most of them and they have been able to work out most of the kinks of them. As far as efficiency goes a small (underpowered) motor pushing a very big boat will use more gas then a larger (correctly sized) motor pushing the same boat. It also has to do with hull design, weight, prop, number of people on board, wind etc. Basically to many variables to mention. One more note on ease to work on... Probably the biggest factor will be how much room the manufacturer gives you when they design the boat around the engine. Below are a couple of examples. as you can see one engine would be much harder to work on then the other because of how the boats were built around the engine.


tight_engine_room.jpgopen_engine_room.jpg
 
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Now we're getting somewhere! This is exactly what I meant by what to look for, what not to look for, etc. Great to know about OMC and the Force engines, I'll steer clear. My guess is I'm going to end up buying something with an I/O, just because they're more plentiful. How about the Merc 3.0 and 4.3 engines?

The 20 Monterey is my top choice, but it doesn't appear to have covers or a bimini, and I'll be storing it under a carport during winter. I emailed him anyhow.

The 1993 Sea Ray is at a local dealership owned by an acquaintance, which can be a good or bad thing. I've been out with him on several of his boats he just purchased to resell at his dealership, and from what I've seen, he only buys and sells clean boats. This leads me to believe that might be a good option, but it is quite a bit older than what I'm really looking for. I love the updated looks and finishing touches on that Monterey.
 

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My guess is I'm going to end up buying something with an I/O, just because they're more plentiful. How about the Merc 3.0 and 4.3 engines?

All the GM blocks are good choices, mated to either Merc or Volvo. An OMC Cobra SX and a Volvo SX outdrive are the same animal. Anything else OMC (including the King Cobra) should be avoided.

Be cautious of a 3.0 in a 19-20 ft boat. I think you'll be disappointed in the lack of power. Don't buy a smaller engine thinking it'll be more economical to run. It generally doesn't work out that way because the smaller engine has to work harder. Less torque mean it swings a smaller prop. That means higher revs for the same speed. Anything up to and including a 5.7 in good condition, is a good choice.
 

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yeah 4.3 minimum for your engine.

Open Bow SeaRay 200 looks nice, I've got a friend with that same boat in an 18' model and a 4.3. Rides great. This one shows a 5.7 which should make it fly (states 52 mph). Its nice to have that power and speed when the water is right.
 

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The 20 Monterey is my top choice, but it doesn't appear to have covers or a bimini, and I'll be storing it under a carport during winter. I emailed him anyhow.

The 1993 Sea Ray is at a local dealership owned by an acquaintance, which can be a good or bad thing. I've been out with him on several of his boats he just purchased to resell at his dealership, and from what I've seen, he only buys and sells clean boats. This leads me to believe that might be a good option, but it is quite a bit older than what I'm really looking for. I love the updated looks and finishing touches on that Monterey.

I'm not sure I would weigh the accessories (cover, bimini, stereo) all that heavily into your decision. All of these can be purchased/made for your boat for not that much money. Much more important is the condition of the engine/outdrive, the deck (and understructure of the boat) and the seating. You really want to make sure the boat has a solid transom, solid deck and solid stringers; if any or all of those are bad, you'll spend MUCH more repairing the boat than you would in buying a bimini. Of course, given two boat of equally lovely condition, you can then start looking at the extras. But don't be distracted by stereos with subwoofers, etc. Focus on the boat itself and the condition of the stuff that's really expensive to repair.

If it were me, I'd be going to look at that Monterey Montura first...

One more thing... buying from a dealer isn't necessarily safer than buying from an individual. Unless you have a lot of information about a dealership, they can sell you a boat in poor condition just as easily as a private individual. Same as a used car dealer...

Good luck!
 

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Good point; compare to a house. You want one that has foundation issues and a roof ready to fall in or one that needs some paint and new carpet?
 
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