Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

DavidW2009

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After looking at (16) boats over several months in the $2,000 ? $3,000 range. I settled for a 1996 Bayliner 1700 with a 1997 120 HP Force (Mercury Marine).

Just looking for a boat entailed lots of time, travel and some expense. For all lake tests, I paid the seller up to $40 for their time and fuel. I insisted on that. I never lake tested a boat that didn?t pass visual and/or mechanical criteria on land. Most of the boats were not lake ready.

I approached buying a boat from two ways:

(1) Buy a solid-hulled project boat cheap ($500 -$1,500) and spend another $5,000-$6,000 on it. I didn?t try to fool myself on the cost.
(2) Buy a low hour, well preserved (does not need upholstery or engine work), garage kept, covered, depreciated older boat that was in top condition for $2,000-$3,000.
(3) Exercise patience and get a frame-of-reference of what is on the market and what to expect in that price range.

I have to admit, by the time I got to looking at boat #15, the project boat approach looked like the way to go. At least I?d know what I had when done.

The Bayliner passed visual and muff running inspection without a problem. The seller voluntarily dropped the price. I bought it without a lake test right then and there, just on the overall condition and low price.

The seller even towed the boat to my property.

The Force got a new impeller within a couple of days and an inspection by a certified Merc mechanic, $174. He backed it into his cement test pond and ran the engine and said it didn?t need anything to go to the lake.

I changed the lower end oil (no water), aired the tires, checked the wheel bearings, put fresh fuel/oil (50:1) in it, screwed in the plug and took it to the lake for a test. It trailered fine and could hardly tell it was back there.

There are good launch ramps, there are marginal ones and there are really bad ones. I picked one (not being familiar with this lake) that was marginal. After launching, the Humminbird said the depth was three feet just off the ramp.

Yikes. Too close. That ramp is for john boats.

The boat started well and idles well. Out in deeper water (15 feet), it hit 40 mph and ran smooth all the way up. We kept it out for one and a half hours with no problems. No over heating and plenty of water out the telltale.

I shut it off a couple of times and it restarted without a problem. All the gauges worked and the generator was charging at 14.2 volts.

Due to my lack of time with this boat/trailer, it was hard to get it lined up to pull out. For me, it will need hull guides added to the trailer.

Once back home, the boat was raised and the plug removed. No water came out.

With a bright flashlight, I inspected what ever could be seen in the ski locker and under the splash well area. I could find no bad parts or bad wood. The boat is solid and clean and looks all original. The closer I look, the more pleased I am with this Bayliner.

The boat will be kept covered (came with a good full cover) and in a carport.

I would like to do some work on it to ensure its continued condition:

Just below the bow, the gel coat finish is worn where the boat was beached. (I noticed this on almost all the boats I looked at.) What product and technique will adequately restore this finish?

There are a few places in the ski locker where the Bayliner employee did not fill in between the glass fibers. What would be a good product to fill this in?

What is the best style hull guides to use? Posts or carpeted bunks? Do any companies sell just the galvanised brackets for bunk guides?
 

yonipainting

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Re: Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

Just a pointer on shoring your boat. Guides are handy (I had them), but you may not need them after all. Just try to figure out (trial and error) how deep you need to set your trailer in the water (wheels and fenders are good point of reference). You probably set your trailer in too deep and boat could not sit on it properly but was rather floating above it.

Good luck and enjoy your bayliner.
 

DavidW2009

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I think you are right about having it too deep. I'll watch that next time, soon.

Thanks for pointing that out.

y'all:

Here is the check list I used to buy this boat. Most is cut and pasted but I added a few things, also:

Boat Inspection 081409

1. Check for bare fiberglass below the waterline. Cause for rejection.
2. Check for scratches, damage, chips in gelcoat.
3. Inspect and photograph hull thoroughly. Crawl around in jump suit.
4. Check stringers for wood rot and strength
5. Check transom and stern drive for flexing (lift up on lower unit), leaks.
6. Check all lights, horn, electrics.
7. Check engine:
Compression
Vacuum readings
Oil pressure
Oil leaks
Assume it's going to need an impeller
Water leaks

General wiring, condition of wires
Hoses

Engine compartment condition
Owner/mechanic abuse

Milky Oil on dipstick or under breather cap

With large screwdriver, check for water in lower unit

Pull the lower unit oil and look for milky colored oil, i.e. water in lower unit

Spin the prop shaft to be sure it's not bent i.e. uneven wobbly spin. If it's locked up and in neutral, somethings wrong.

Look at the condition of the prop/skeg (i.e. bent)
Take it for a test drive and run it wide open and check the max rpms rated for the motor, ie you don't want excessive overage in rpms rated for the motor and also know what the min water pressure is for your motor

Power lift work? Is there an up-lock for drive?

Was boat used in saltwater?

Check charging voltage

Check battery and batt box mounting

8. Check for dry bilge before lake testing.
9. Check for oil leaks in bilge.
10. Check for bilge pump.
11. Check for stopper plug (transom)
12. Check for water leaks while on lake and after pulled out of the water.
13. Check floor for soft spots.
14. Check for wood rot in storeage compartments.
15. Check function and condition of walk-thru window and door.
16. Check all gauges and instruments.
17. Check trailer, overall condition:

Tires
Steel structure
Salt water use?
Condition of tie down straps
Condition of tires
Condition of wheel bearings
Condition of hull supports
Safety chains included?

18. Contact former owner and get an idea of maintenance, problems and how the boat was used.
19. Boat Inspection:
1. Do not pick the boat up in the rain. You can't make a good evaluation on the condition of a boat in the rain. It makes it very hard to find the gouges/stress cracks, flaws etc.

2. Start from one end of the boat and work your way around it in. Rub your hands and scan with your eyes all along the side of the boat looking for scratches, stress cracks, etc. especially around the console and splash well area.

3. Look at the keel very closely especially around the U bolt where you hook it up with the winch and make sure the U bolt is attached firmly.

4. Get on your back and look under the actual hull between the tires and the trailer tongue of the boat between the bunkers. If you hit something with a boat it is going to hit toward the back of the boat ie the Pad area. Be looking for fiberglass exposure ie matting, major gouges etc.

5. Get on your back right under the motor and look at the very back of the pad. Another popular place to hit an object. If the hull shows very little scratches and use chances are pretty good you got a GREAT boat!

6. Take a look at the bilge area and notice if there is any water in there. If so drain the water take the boat for a test drive and recheck the bilge (ie boat leaks). Any water in the bilge after a short short ride can mean a very noticeable leak on a longer trip!

7. Make sure all of the electronics work i.e. bilge pumps, battery charger, fish finders, rpm gauge, water pressure gauge, lights.

8. Look for anything obvious in all the storage compartments.

20. Check power head if it?s been welded. Cause for rejection.
21. Check to see if gaskets are painted or not.
22. Tools needed for inspection:
Large screwdriver
Tool kit
Compression gauge
Oil pressure gauge
Vacuum gauge
Tire gauge
Rags
Large adjustable wrench
Hammer
Camera
Ground wire
Starter push button
Volt Amp meter
Wax, polish, compound

23. Check finish for restorability, compound, polish, wax.
 

DavidW2009

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Posted somewhere on this forum, is a phone number to Bayliner customer service.

Wanting an owner's manual, I called the number. The recording said it was US Marine and requested for me to enter the extension number of the person I wished to speak with. No option was given for a live operator. So I hit the directory and thought up a name and got an extention number.

I called this person (not knowing if it was customer service or what) and left a message. The next day I had a message left for me with an email addy at US Marine.

I emailed my request with my street address. I did receive a photo copy of the owner's manual, minus the warranty page.

The first few pages of this manual are dedicated to sheeple who probably shouldn't own a boat, but do. Some of the rest of the info is pertinent, but no specs on hull weight, motor weight, etc.. I guess that's on the plate in the boat, only. Absolutely nothing on the motor, except basic starting instructions. Have to call Mercury Marine for that.

I am pleased that US Marine rep was an American, instead of Ricci Ticci Tavi in Bombay.
 

Jenason

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Re: Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

AWESOME..we have the same boat.. Mine is only the 75 hp Force, works well though but i ski/tube with only myself a spotter and maybe 1 passenger.. Still works good though.. I get 40mp with onle me in it all trimmed up, wot. GPS..As far as the gel coat, i put 5 coats of tuirtle wax on it and buffed with power buffer and the boat looks new again, badly worn blue before....

Anyway one more q for you, Do you have a mooring cover for yours?? I will have to get one made up for mine before next summer arroound 400.00 for custom cover locally..I do have the bow cover..\i think this model came without..oh well awesome boat..

thanks

Andy
 

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Re: Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

I'm I confused or is Mariner Mercury and Force no longer exist?
 

DavidW2009

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Re: Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

Jenason,

Mine came with a good, fitted cover that straps to the trailer. No, don't have a mooring cover.

Interesting you get 40 mph with a 75 hp. Does it have power trim?

Do you like the way your Bayliner handles?
 

DavidW2009

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According to NADA, the Force O/B's are no longer in production.

That means they can be purchased cheap.

I have no documentation for this opinion, but Mercury may have bought out Force just to close it down and get it off the market. (???)

I've seen this strategy before with other companies.
 

Jenason

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Yup, power trim...15 pitch prop and NO WEIGHT in the boat..Just makin 40.. WOT is at 5250 or so on a perfect day, with the wind/current..

I know alot of variables but thats the best i ever got..

And yes. to my knowledge, FORCE is no longer but aftermarket parts are plenty..Take care of the power plant and it will take care of you.. A good motor, but will not take neglect/abuse..

Cheers
 

DavidW2009

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Jenason,

Thanks for sharing the specs on your boat.

I need to find out what prop is on mine. I hit 40 at some where around 4400-4600 rpm. I didn't pay much attention to that on the lake test. I will next time.

Talking with other Force owners in the area, they like their O/B's. Force seems like a straight forward, easy to work on motor.

Back to the 1700 LS:

I've posted what I do like about this boat.

What I have come to not like is the seats are too short. They are comfortable, for sure, but a little hard to get my 6'-2" self down into them.

I'm under 200 lbs. and within the weight chart, but it's still like sitting on the floor to get down to them.
 

RWilson2526

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congratulations on the find...you certainly did your homework....with an inspection list like that I'm surprised you only had go through 16 boats to find one!!!

and low seats are a drag...are you talking back to back lounge type seats? I agree, the standard base is usually 10" high which is just too low....there are a few mfg's that offer higher bases...I have one with a 16" base and the difference is unbelievable.
 

DavidW2009

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RWilson,

The check list needs a little cleaning up and reformatting, and I'm going to add ergonomics to the list.

Maybe someone out there has a seat elevation system?

BTW, the 'W' in my screenname = Wilson.
 

Jenason

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the pitch is stamped on the prop usually integrated with the serial #..check the very last 2 numbers and i'll bet its like 15,17,19 or so...the pitch..Also i bet your motor rev,s higher than 4600, so the 40mph will likely go to around 44-45, all trimmed up.

YUP, the seat hight is low, i like to see the water infront, always looking ahead for logs, debris ect..I usually sit on the back of the seat while cruising, steering with my foot. haha..Anyway take care

Andy
 

DavidW2009

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Jenason,

I took the 1700 to Lake Keowee, S.C. today for a spin and just get use to it.

By myself, half tank of fuel, the boat hit 45 at redline (5200 RPM). I also discovered that the engine keeps revving past redline. Need more load, I think.

The prop (suppose to be the original) is probably sized and pitched for a normal load of four people and gas.

I'm getting use to the boat and did some hard cornering and stuff.

Above 4,000 RPM, the boat really takes off. The engine comes alive.

Did your boat come with a removable ski mast (pole?)? I think I read it is standard equipment on the LS models.

Edit: Note to self: It's a 'ski pylon', not a ski mast/pole. Got to get up to speed with present day boating terminology.
 
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jhs5150

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Re: Bayliner 1700 LS, Questions and ?How To???..?

Brunswick, who already owned Mercury, bought US Marine, who owned Force. Force was eventually phased out at the end of the 90's. No need for the same company to own competing engine brands. The Force is a good motor from my experience. Good luck with it.
 

DavidW2009

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IMO, the 1700, with the OEM Capri trailer, needs hull guides. The trailer and bunks are too low.

For my purposes, the boat and trailer rig needs to be user friendly for one user. It's just not that easy to line up this boat when retrieving on the average ramp. The shallower the ramp, the easier to line up.

Next trip to the lake, the trailer will be equipped with guides.
 

Jenason

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No the boat never came with a removable mast..Believe me I had trouble with the decision about making a mast for skiing/tubing..What I cam up with finally to get the rope out of the water was to unscrew the 2 back cleats, install 2 stainless plates on the inside underneath the bottom of the cleat to reinforce the cleat and made a tow line that hooks to BOTH cleats comming off the stern..That way I just clip the tube/ski line to it..I used it all summer with tons of confidence that there was lots of strenth while pulling..Worked great, never had to drill anymore holes in the boat..

Have fun
 

DavidW2009

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A little on the Capri trailer that came with the 1700 LS:

A local marine service sold me a set of Fulton PVC guides, 44". They got installed yesterday.

The frame rails on the Capri trailer are too far out to mount the Fulton guides as their instructions show. The guides would only adjust to 3" from the gunnel.

I ended up mounting to a transverse piece of cradle tubing, 2" x 3" in section.

Had to fab two 2" x 5" x 5/8" thick shims to make the guide clear the bottom of the frame. Then cut off about 2" of each of the u-bolt threads after tightening down, with a Skil saws-all.

The mounting plates provided are marginal and bent easily while tightening the nut. The lockwasher provided would not even compress. The plate just keeps bending. So I added 3/8-16 stainless steel nylock nuts to the u-bolts, leaving the nuts and washers provided.

The plate bending may not be so bad because it wrapped the plate around the PVC and may give a better grip. Time and use will tell.

I adjusted the guides to within 1/8" of the gunnel on each side. Not touching the hull anywhere.

After looking the situation over and without trying them at the lake, I think this product is for visual guiding, not physical guiding.

I then read the iboat.com thread on trailer guides. Should have done this first, LOL.

I'll give them a try, but I suspect I'll end up designing my own.

A word on the Capri trailer (I'm commenting on this here because it came with the boat OEM):

Over all seems well built. The fenders are very strong with great anti-skid pads in three places, each side. and at the bow.

But it squeaks over certain road conditions. This is after going over the whole trailer and retorqueing every nut and bolt. It's the leaf spring mounts. They seem too loose where the spring wraps around the mounting bolt on the spring anchor on the bottom side of the frame.

I need to find out if there are suppose to be bushings inside the spring.
 

DavidW2009

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jhs5150: "The Force is a good motor from my experience. Good luck with it."

Thanks for the comment. So far, so good.
 
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