Boat Wiring

prockvoan

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I'm at the point of replacing all wire in my boat.Question,were is a place that sells Marine grade wire and not raping you for the price?
 

SuzukiChopper

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Re: Boat Wiring

I don't know if my response is going to cause a bunch of controversy, but don't spend the money on marine grade wiring. Goto an electronics shop that sells braded copper wire in the gauge you need (for battery wiring and such, goto somewhere that sells car amplifier wiring and get the good 4 guage stuff). 16 guage is good for most stuff under 10amps. For something like a power tilt/trim unit use 12 guage. For the rest low current stuff (like voltage guages, speakers, stereo head unit, lights, etc) you can use 18 gauge wire without any problems. The only thing I would recommend is either measure and figure out the lengths of wire you need or buy the rolls, and get different colours.<br /><br />From there layout the wires you need to run, and use a single length of heat shrink tube to bundle them together. Leave about 6" or more wire sticking out either end and heat up the first 2" of the heat shrink tube, leaving the rest the way you bought it. You may need to create more than one harness. From there if you need to splice two wires together DO NOT solder them. Use crimp connectors, making sure you crimp the wires REALLY good, and make sure you have more heat shrink (enough to cover the connector) put over the wire you're connecting and finish it off by covering the connector with the heat shrink and shrinking. For the ends, to attatch to different things, if they have spade connectors on them, use the female spade connector to make the connection. If you have to connect two peices of wire on something like lights and such, use a female and male connector so they can easily be disconnected. The male end ALWAYS goes on the hot side of the connection (usually the harness side). Try and use the coloured insulated connectors and crimps if at all possible.<br /><br />You can probably also get away with soldering some things but solder tends to work harden quite easily over time and you'll end up with bad connections. Also if you can, use terminal blocks where appropriate, makes troubleshooting and adding in goodies after the fact really easy. Most importantly though, take your time and do this job right, you don't want any shorted wires, or bad connections anywhere. You may want to invest in a fuse block also.<br /><br />And just to qualify me saying that you don't need to bother using marine grade wiring, well I've been building bikes for years, they are all out in the elements as much as any boat, and seeing that I build rigids (no rear suspension) the wiring is beat up just as bad and I've NEVER had a wiring problem once. Just please don't use solid wire or the silver stuff, that silver stuff will corrode faster then you can say "whoops".
 

crab bait

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Re: Boat Wiring

crimp then solder all joints..<br /><br />use ty-raps to bundle/make wire harnesses.. ( for easy wire removal,I D, future taps.)<br /><br />use marine wire if'n you can swing-it.. well worth it in long run.. cause it's tinned ( i.e. SOLDER COATED ) of the lemgth<br /><br />price... ??? ... shop around ( ask santa )
 

lark2004

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Re: Boat Wiring

Silicon insulation is also WAAYYYY better than the PVC coated wire. Costs a bit more, but doesn't become brittle with age or melt, just name two of its bonuses. I agree with crab too about the the tinned part. BUT it doesn't have to say marine grade, that just adds to the cost, you can get tinned wire from your local electronics supplier, it will be alot cheaper than a boat shop.
 

Mark42

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The wire carried by my local NAPA auto parts dealer is tinned, and lots cheaper than the local marine supply.<br /><br />Also, don't forget to pull wire harness' from appliances you discard. Many use tinned wire. I have two harness from cloths washers that are tinned and are perfectly good for lots of projects. <br /><br />Mark.
 

18rabbit

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Note about tinned wire: wire comes in 3 primary types; type-1 is solid (do not use on a boat!), type-2 multi-strand, will tolerate vibration, should be supported in conduit, type-3 is also multi-strand but more, smaller strands, much more flexible, will withstand much more vibration. You can use type 3 wire anywhere on a boat. ‘Marine Grade’ also refers to the insulator…resists moisture and hydrocarbons and heat to 85(?) deg C minimum. I buy spools of Deka brand (high quality) type-2, sheathed, marine wire from this Ebay seller:<br /><br /> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2486523926&category=26449 <br /><br />Note the cost...100-ft (x2 wires!) for less than $20. I only use double throw circuit breakers so I am running (+) and (-) to/from every accessory. The sheathed wire makes it a lot easier. Obviously, you can remove the sheath or just buy single conductor.<br /><br />I suggest figuring out what you need and calling them at (800)-998-9473 to inquire about cost. If you are not running the wire thru conduit, you may want to specify TYPE-3 marine grade wire. All Ancor brand wire I have seen is type-3.<br /><br />Lastly, can’t hurt to pick up this book. It is easy to read, lots of pix, has all the basics, how-to, and caveats for a rewire job. Available at most bookstores, too.<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/mall/index.cg...tegory=book>electric system&*******=970815368
 

KaGee

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Re: Boat Wiring

Tinned wire is over-kill if you are in fresh water. Saltwater.... that's another deal.<br />Salt and copper just don't get along. Suzuke and Crab have offered good advice. <br /><br />I did some work on my harness... none of the wires were tinned and this was an OEM harness.
 

thejeepster02

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Re: Boat Wiring

Be sure to make your self a wiring diagram, marking wires or using color coded wire.<br /><br />a year from now if you have problems or want to make changes it will come in very handy
 

SuzukiChopper

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I don't totally agree with the crimp then solder method just because I've seen so many of those joints fail even when covered with heat shrink. BUT if done properly with a good grade of solder and if you take your time it can work. If you're going to crimp and then solder, I would suggest getting "kitty hair" solder (0.15" diameter). That way you won't apply tooooo much solder to the joint, only enough to seal it. Also if you do get the pre-tinned wire there is no need to buy flux core solder as the tinning will allow the solder to do its thing. Otherwise you really have no choice :) Invest in a good soldering iron as well, the less time you can keep the heat on the wire and your connection, the less chance there will be that it will become brittle.
 

18rabbit

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Wiring diagram is a good idea...right there up with a “necessity”. Crab Bait mentions labeling the wires…can’t over-state the benefit of this, easy to do when building the harness, makes install quick. Labels are about $7/pk at Home Depot. Get them anywhere electrical is sold.
 

crab bait

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if it's a lite colored wire ( big or small) i write right on the lite colored insulation with a 'fine tipped SHARPIE' marker.. the number you opt or bands/rings ( 1 band this.. 2 bands that ) or even what it is ,,i.e. "lites', 'horn', 'ff, 'bilge' whatever.. along it's length or ends..
 

prockvoan

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Re: Boat Wiring

All good advice,and thanks all.This is not my first to rewire.Tin wire is a must when it comes down to a boat.Insurance will eats your lunch more or less,and a boat survey will down the line.The boat I'm rewiring is a 30' flybridge.It has everything and the kitchen sink too!She sleeps 4,AC and heat,water heater and all.All the wiring is 20 years old,and there was a bunch of trash add over the years.All that trash,no color code,and with up grades to cabin lighting and others,she will be like a new boat.Oh,I will be using the USCG regs and ABYC code.
 

crab bait

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to do by abcy code.. it'll be many many money.. as per many many different wire colors..
 

BillP

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prockvoan...good advice about the survey and insurance. Non compliant wire installation will bust a survey for insurance and financing purposes. The bigger the boat the harder they are on this stuff.
 

Ralph 123

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eBay - I Usually pick up genuine Ancor Marine wire for 50% of retail - sometimes even much less. Same thing with connectors, switch panels, gauges, lighting, etc.<br /><br />You can also pickup genuine OEM complete harnesses there for pennies on the dollar and I am talking brand new. I picked up a Merc 5.7L complete 30' Searay harness (and I mean complete, from helm to engine including trim, stereo, etc) for less than $100. I plugged it into a friends boat and he was back in the water in a day.<br /><br /><br />I rebuilt my 79 Formula from scratch with 80% of the components coming from eBay. I used winters to collect parts.
 

SuzukiChopper

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Re: Boat Wiring

My first experience with ebay was horrible but it was my fault (didn't read the auction right). But I got into it checking out stuff and I must say it rocks. Most of my boat rebuild stuff will be coming from ebay. Bought a transom ladder for $30 brand new, a complete power tilt/trim, transom mounts, and swivel bracket for about $250.00. looking for a tank, and a few other things on there as well. Can't go wrong, usually.
 
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