I was also referring to used .Everybody knows somebody that has had a bad vehicle from pretty well every mfg but I understand your point ,im the same with dodge ram trucks ,my brother is the unlucky owner of one that had enough work done on it he could of bought another one.The 2 people I know that own kia,s love them to death.When it comes down to it we each have a choice and are entitled to buy what ever they want.Chances are I will buy another ford as ive done for the last 44 years,lol.