creation science vs. evolution

[Danimal1706]

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As the son of a preacher I will say I believe in creationism. But my thoughts on this are not bound by the bible I believe there are many mistake's in it. <br /><br /> One that I think is that the earth is only 6-7000 yrs old! just watch the discovery channel for a hr. you will see things that is certain! evidence that the earth is much older than that. Also that it all started with Adam and Eve, that would mean that were all inbred now I KNOW ive seen some evidence for that ha! ha!,<br /><br /> But really there are examples of royal families from slovic countries and what not I cant remember, that inbred and the family suffered from birth defects and lunacy so if it all started from two people we probaly would have turned into retarded freaks by now. One more thing. It is often said by evolutionists that we all evolved from apes if thats true WHY ARE THERE STILL APES? thats just my thoughts

 

[Jeff Peacock]

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So what's "sizable"?<br />Who gets to decide?

 

[Ralph 123]

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If a poll were done, creation would likely win given the high church attendance in this country and the number of Christians over all. However, banning evolution would be a mistake as big as only giving one side of the controversy. We are an open and free society and can handle the discussion and be tolerant of differing, good faith, views.

 

[LadyFish]

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Originally posted by Danimal1706:<br />It is often said by evolutionists that we all evolved from apes if thats true WHY ARE THERE STILL APES?

Hmmmm, maybe reverse evolution?<br />

 

[SCO]

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Right Ralph. And that's why I don't expect that evolution is taught in Iran. Do we allow religious thought and principle to dictate what is taught in a science course?

 

[SCO]

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"we all evolved from apes if thats true WHY ARE THERE STILL APES?"<br /><br />Why wouldn't there still be apes. No one said all apes morphed into humans. Why are there different races of humans? We all came out of Africa, we're all Africans really, but we look different. Separation, group identities have had us "microevolving" in separate genetic pools for thousands of years. THe current reshuffling stops that, but that trend would have resulted in separate human species imho. If that had occurred, then the future evolutionists a mere million years from now would be looking for us, the missing link in the fossil record, a primative humanoid creature, but "no" the pinkish frail female would cry, "I didn't evolve from no humanoid". Hummm...good science fiction...nawww, already done with a modification...the Planet of the Apes.

 

[mellowyellow]

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I really wish the world was like u wanted Ralph<br />and we could all be tolerant and information <br />could be discussed freely... maybe someday?<br />god willing, we will all "evolve" to that point <br />creation is divine! it is not a science at all.<br />trying to fit god into our small human pidgeon<br />holes is silly at best, underhanded at the worst.<br /><br />M&R has accidentally opened a window to one of the<br />real reasons behind "creation science" (no disrespect)<br />it is the strict, literal, word for word translation<br />of the bible.<br />1 mistake and the "whole thing would fall apart"?<br />it is this rigid thinking that spurred the whole<br />creation science moement.<br />M&R, I would love for ALL children to learn about<br />what the bible says about creation in school. in<br />fact, there are many valuable things for them there.<br />but I would call it what it was, religion class.<br /><br />even with divine intervention, the bible has "human"<br />limits. language is the first. how do you describe<br />god with mere words? more of a feeling/emotion<br />probably?<br />add to that numorous translations and the fact <br />that language "evolves" over time (words have diff.<br />meanings).<br /><br />for MY, one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch.

 

[wilkin250r]

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Originally posted by joew94th:<br />Wilkin, I repeat.<br /><br />

The U.S. Can never be completely free from religion. The laws which comprise this nation have a basis in religious beliefs, as do the laws of most nations.

Straight from Ethics 101.

True, many laws have a basis in religion, so has education. I refer you to the play "Inherit the Wind". ALthough the play itself was fiction, it was based on the real scenario of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes. At one time it was illegal to present the theory of evolution in a public school.<br /><br />We also "owned" people, but that doesn't mean we should continue slavery today. Even in the bible itself, polygamy was an acceptable practice, but that doesn't mean it should continue today.<br /><br />My point is, times have changed. Our government is in charge of making laws that apply to MANY religions. I would certainly not be comfortable with the government making laws based on Hinduism. Likewise, I'm pretty sure the Islamic population would not feel comfortable with laws created from the Christian point of view. You've heard it before, that freedom of religion also implies freedom FROM religion, and thus we arrive at the concept of separation of Church and State. Laws should NOT be created from a religious point of view, because it is not fair to those with other beliefs. Laws should be created solely on the basis of personal protection, not morality.<br /><br />This discussion is about the legislation, but I believe the same applies for education. I don't think religious views should be presented in a public school, even if we present all of them. Thus I am brought to my original point, that evolution is the only theory without religous aspects.

 

[Ralph 123]

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The mentioning of one founding father, (Jefferson re: church & state) deserves another:<br /><br />

<br /><br />Washington's Farewell Address 1796<br /><br />Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. <br /><br />

Washington's admonition has come to pass in this in this nation.

 

[SCO]

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No disagreement here Ralph. What a quote. "Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure"... Obviously these enlightened and educated people spent a lot of time discussing the same issues we do today. Is it an admonishment of this kind of discussion entertaining ideas that contradict literal biblical docterine?? Maybe so. Is that what you get?

 

[18rabbit]

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Please start a new thread about Global Warming and don't hijack this very important thread.

Ladyfish - Two things…<br /><br />1-the thread isn’t being hijacked. It is evolving. <br /><br />2-this is not an important thread. It is an entertaining way to rack up posting points on the way to earning our decoder rings.

 

[JoeW]

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Enough with the Evolution already, time for Dissolution! or should I say Enough with the Genesis! How about some Exodus? <br /><br />This thread is long in tooth. <br /><br />So... how bout them Kings?

 

[18rabbit]

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Toad – I looked at the website. There are a ton of other organizations that have similar info.<br /><br />The problem is the directly conflicting information regarding the earth’s temps, the amount of ice, etc. The claim that there is more ice now also says it is causing an increase in the water level of the oceans with mass flooding to follow. It is the same thing the melting ice people claim. I really don’t know what to believe. I guess if we each buy an extreme-cold survival suit and a case of sunscreen, we should ok either way. <br /><br />Did you read that Newsweek article from 1975? It quotes folks from NOAA, Columbia U, U of Wisconsin on the earth’s cooling. It also has the suggestion the ice age will be a mild, little critter. And the Nat’l Academy of Sciences says we don’t know enough about weather to question it…THAT was in 1975.<br /><br />I really don’t know what to think about global temps. It just really pissed me off when the kids came home from school with a handful of literature about how mankind is killing the planet and global warming was stated as a fact as if there were no controversy there. Not at all unlike the way evolution is taught.

 

[Commander Mc Bragg]

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There is a simple reason why apes still exist, we DID NOT evolve from apes, both apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor!<br /><br />Shame Shame Shame! Yall should KNOW that!<br /><br />They say that too much Internetting makes you stupid, hmmmmm ...<br /><br />

 

[ezbtr]

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Can we just go back to who makes the best truck?????? Seriously though, I beleive in separation of church and state too(yeah I believe, just not a reg. by any means at church, especially catholic like wife, dont wanna go there, too much hooey ). Was raised Baptist and in school we learned the evolution theory, but again in Sunday school we learned the creation theory - good balance I think, let ya make up your own mind/balance. I kinda think maybe there IS a balance between both, heck there's a lot we DONT know and God does, for a reason Im sure. Faith? I won't go on, I hate arguing religion or politics, opinions are like azzholes, everyones got one. It's your CHOICE which to agree with. Heinz

 

[Carphunter]

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Mellow, do you know if this is the record for most posts yet? If not, let me know, and i'll start posting a bunch of smiley faces.<br /><br />Like this: <br /><br />or this: <br /><br />maybe this: <br /><br />and sometimes this: <br /><br />but never this:

 

[Carphunter]

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[NMplayer]

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I have taken the time to read this whole thread and have enjoyed it very much/<br /><br />I have studied this debaste very carefully and for a long time and would like to share what I have come to.<br /><br />Life is irreducibly complex.<br /><br />Take the smallest and simplest one cell organisms. They have cell walls that are perfect for gaining nutrients and putting out waste. They have a nucleus which carries all of the information for not only how they grow but how they will create offspring like themselves. If they are missing even one structure or part, they die or cannot exist. There is no oppurtunity for them to to have added the parts that they need to live as time went on because they need them all to be a living functioning organism. The simplest form of life is irreducibly complex.<br /><br />Do species change over time to better suit their enviornment? You bet. But they don't turn into another species...ever. Even Darwin would have to agree that a finch is still a finch. Natural selection does work, but it cannot explain how life began.<br /><br />So then if life is irreducibly complex(you can't wait for your heart to evolve, it has to be there from the start) then I must assume that it was created or that there was intelligent design involved.

 

[mikeandronda]

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That is a great point and I agree 100%....even though I dont know what the word irreducibly means

 

[Toad2001]

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I'm watching 60 minutes right now, and the scientists working on the Hubble telescope project have learned an incredible amount of information about our universe, including the fact that it is approximately 14 Billion years old.