Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

18rabbit, continue your negative streak...it fits you well.<br />I have to laugh at your comments because you show how little you know about stocks...<br />2004 showed a net profit of 1.3 million...not bad for 6 employees..<br />the first 4 months of 2005, polar molecular was producing over 1.7 million in product a week...needless to say, those in the know, bought stock like it was going out of style.<br />Your info on current stock is incorrect as polar is not the only player now. Product is on current back-order and shipped as produced due to the demand...does "demand" mean anything to you??? put 2 and 2 together...<br />and, why must you insult something you know nothing about???<br />Quietcat is going to do some testing and research, why can't you let it be until we hear from him???<br />At least he is respectful enough to check into it without showing disrespect to me.

 

[18rabbit]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

So what are you saying Kenny? Is Mattttt25 going to need to sell more than just the back porch?<br /> <br /><br />Actually, I have been researching the corporation. What doesn’t add up for me is the value of the stock when held up against the claims for the product. Little is known about the company. That’s strange. Risk assessment has not been established, meaning no one has assessed the value of the product in the real world. Probably just something overlooked by Wall Street and Chicago’s investment analysts. The company started as a Delaware corporation, but it appears after the name change to have slid off of Delaware’s radar. Corp headquarters is in Colorado, but the Secretary of State for Colorado shows the corporation’s status as “revoked”. I couldn’t find Polar Molecular Holding Corporation as incorporated in Colorado or Delaware. The Securities Exchange Commission has POMHE tagged as “DELINQUENT FILING WITH SEC”. Salary statistics for Mark Nelson, CEO, are 1-1/2 years old. The company has no planned growth, no earnings projections. The company has been around for over 20-years, gets itself a wiz-bang product a couple years ago, changes its name, goes public, hits almost $0.20/share with the new product…and several weeks later is worth almost 1/3 of what it was... even with that wiz-bang product in its back pocket.<br /><br />As you mentioned, the company has six employees. 1. CEO 2. CFO 3. COO 4. VP Sale/West 5. VP Sale/Central. I’m guessing they don’t need the additive in the East because employee #6 has to be answering the phone, licking stamps, doing the R&D, engineering, chemical analysis, blending/brewing, bottling, packaging, shipping…etc. I’ll bet employee #6 is also responsible for that delinquent SEC filing. What with all the other hats they poor person is wearing, it’s no wonder they didn’t have time to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission…if what I read is what I read.<br /><br />Something just isn’t adding up here. Maybe there is a reason why I am having a hard time finding analytical investment data on Polar Molecular Corporation or Polar Molecular Holding Corporation.<br /><br />But hey, you’re right Kenny…I don’t know anything.<br /><br />Edit: if need be, I will stand corrected. But is going to take a little more than just innuendo.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Risk assessment has not been established, meaning no one has assessed the value of the product in the real world.

This statement is the biggest bunch of crap you have posted yet, and proves without a doubt, you know zero about the real world situation of this product, and please state where that info came from...You??? because it doesn't exist.<br />Your credibility is in question when posting information as far from the truth as you have just done.<br />This is an exclusive product with very little public access to the developement for good reason, however, you cannot read either or you would have caught the manufacturers that endorse it now. They may not be YOUR world, but in my mind, they are REAL world.

 

[moderator1]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

18rabbit and walleyehed, this would be a good time to act like adults, lay off the comments, and contribute to the post, or stop.<br />Wrong place to insult each other, so end it.<br />Thank you, both....

 

[stevens]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Sorry, guys, I didn't mean to start a personal feud here. And while the mud-slinging may be an entertaining read for the rest of us, it will only scar those involved. <br /><br />I do, however, remain genuinely curious about whether or not such fuel additives are needed in the first place, how they're supposed to work, if they can be shown to actually work as claimed, or if some of these brands may just be intended for the gullible public.<br /><br />I have to give Walleyehed credit for being willing to stand up for his product. Credit goes to 18rabbit as well for the willingness to express his point of view. Good point by the moderator though.<br /><br />It will be interesting to try Walleyehed's product to see if I can notice any difference in my almost new Cummins-Mercruiser engine, however subjective this may be.<br /><br />I also look forward hearing from Quietcat again, or from anyone else that might have any scientifically valid experience with this. And by that I mean comparing before & after, with & without, in a manner that can be trusted and replicated.<br /><br />By the way, what time is it over there? Don't you guys ever sleep?

 

[mattttt25]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Kenny,<br /><br />Can you clearly explain the product name, who manufactures it, who they sell it to, etc?<br /><br />I checked Polar Molecular and they seem to advertise their DurAlt fuel additive. Is this what you're talking about?<br /><br />I don't see the correlation with freedom fuel, which i couldn't even find.<br /><br />Just confused after reading through the posts and then cruising the web.<br /><br />Thanks-

 

[stevens]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Don't mean to butt in, but here's some of what I found after searching for "Freedom Fuel Additive" on google.com.<br /><br />At Polar Molecular's site (http://www.polarmolecular.com/private_labels.html) they list the following client:<br /><br />"Access Business Group <br />Sells Freedom Fuel Additive through its Independent Business Owners"<br /><br />At the Access website (http://www.accessbusinessgroup.com/), I find nothing on "freedom" except a press release dated Dec. 7, 2004, commemorating Jay Van Andel, Co-founder of Amway.<br /><br />There's a site very critical of Amway, where Freedom Fuel Additive shows up in a price comparison of Amway products. See:<br /><br /> http://www.amquix.info/amway.html <br /> http://www.amquix.info/tosp/tosp39c.html <br /><br />At Amway's site (http://www.amway.com/en/General/About-Amway-10725.aspx), I find the following reference: "Alticor, parent company of Amway, Quixtar and Access Business Group." This led to www.alticor.com where I found more information about all 4 companies (Alticor, Amway, Quixtar, Access).<br /><br />Finally, I find the product listed at quixtar:<br /><br /> http://www.quixtar.com/products/product.aspx?itemno=E8194 <br /><br />I really have no knowledge of or bias against Amway/Quixtar, and if the product really does what Walleyehed says, it should be very interesting. In any case, I look forward to trying this out.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Freedom fuel additive, made by Polar molecular, for exclusive access by Previous Amway, current Quixtar members and any Harley-Davidson dealers, in which it is labeled "Duralt".<br />stevens has done his homework.<br />The product is being made available in the std. 12oz. bottles, gallon jugs whithin 30 days, 2-1/2's by august and packaged in 55 gallon drums by september for rail use and electrical plants, as requested by current customers.

 

[mattttt25]

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thanks, i think i follow.<br /><br />you mentioned PSE&G in jersey was using it. in what form (name) and from what company would they receive it from? my father works there and doesn't seem to know anything about this. he said they are very strict on additives, so if your info is correct, it helps prove your point.

 

[18rabbit]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Duralt was first trademarked as a fuel additive in 1986 and evidently abandoned in 1994. It was re-trademarked in 1995 again as a fuel additive, and later mentioned in a 2002 patent. Don’t know if this is the case but I can see the possibility of the 'new brew' product also being distributed under a different name to avoid any confusion with any Polar Molecular fuel additive product from the 80’s or 90's, if there was one.<br /><br />Per the patent claim, Duralt is a blend of detergent and an amino compound that work synergistically when combined to reduce deposits on intake valves and combustion chamber walls. You can read the nitty-gritty details in the link to the patent. Good luck, it’s long.<br /><br />http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=50&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%22Polar+Molecular%22&OS="Polar+Molecu lar"&RS="Polar+Molecular

 

[mattttt25]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

if it was so great, why did anyone abandon it? i'm not bashing, i am really looking at investment opportunities.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

To be honest, this was about the time Amway started to fall apart due to it's structure..<br />With the few patents that were on it, the "higher-ups" decided it best be removed until further patents could be obtained.<br />The product was re-formulated in 2002 and has aquired 47 U.S. patents to this date and was re-introduced a few years back. It wasn't really a big seller until fuel prices started their upward trend. The higher the fuel price goes, the more this product is going to sell.<br /><br />mattttt25, I will see if I can get the correct info as to what name is on it for their use.<br />I do know that in the initial testing, it was direct from Polar Molecular.

 

[BillP]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Originally posted by 18rabbit:<br /> So what are you saying Kenny? Is Mattttt25 going to need to sell more than just the back porch?<br /> <br /><br />Actually, I have been researching the corporation. What doesn’t add up for me is the value of the stock when held up against the claims for the product. Little is known about the company. That’s strange. Risk assessment has not been established, meaning no one has assessed the value of the product in the real world. Probably just something overlooked by Wall Street and Chicago’s investment analysts. The company started as a Delaware corporation, but it appears after the name change to have slid off of Delaware’s radar. Corp headquarters is in Colorado, but the Secretary of State for Colorado shows the corporation’s status as “revoked”. I couldn’t find Polar Molecular Holding Corporation as incorporated in Colorado or Delaware. The Securities Exchange Commission has POMHE tagged as “DELINQUENT FILING WITH SEC”. Salary statistics for Mark Nelson, CEO, are 1-1/2 years old. The company has no planned growth, no earnings projections. The company has been around for over 20-years, gets itself a wiz-bang product a couple years ago, changes its name, goes public, hits almost $0.20/share with the new product…and several weeks later is worth almost 1/3 of what it was... even with that wiz-bang product in its back pocket.<br /><br />As you mentioned, the company has six employees. 1. CEO 2. CFO 3. COO 4. VP Sale/West 5. VP Sale/Central. I’m guessing they don’t need the additive in the East because employee #6 has to be answering the phone, licking stamps, doing the R&D, engineering, chemical analysis, blending/brewing, bottling, packaging, shipping…etc. I’ll bet employee #6 is also responsible for that delinquent SEC filing. What with all the other hats they poor person is wearing, it’s no wonder they didn’t have time to file with the Securities and Exchange Commission…if what I read is what I read.<br /><br />Something just isn’t adding up here. Maybe there is a reason why I am having a hard time finding analytical investment data on Polar Molecular Corporation or Polar Molecular Holding Corporation.<br /><br />But hey, you’re right Kenny…I don’t know anything.<br /><br />Edit: if need be, I will stand corrected. But is going to take a little more than just innuendo.

Good reseach and the right way to investigate. It points out exactly why people should be cautious. Penny stocks (OTC)are where the con artists play...less gov't controls and less accountability than stocks registered with the NYSE. <br /><br />If the product is as great as claimed it would have been bought immediately by one of the big oil companies or holding groups...and be registered on the NYSE instead of sold OTC. The "inventors/current owners" of the product would now be sitting with $200,000,000 each in their bank accounts and not worrying about multilevel marketing or fleet testing. If that hasn't happened it probably is more fluff than real.<br /><br />Edit:<br />Oh and I own a 2002 CAT 3126B (300hp turbo) and talk with the CAT factory every now and then. I just fired off an email to CAT to confirm testing or endorsments of Freedon Fuel Additive.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

This is the best I can do at this time...there is no sales here, only info on the product..<br />When you open this link, use freedom for user name and freedom for password. If you have already located this great, if not, this is all I can add for now.<br /><br /> http://www.moreproductsupport.com/

 

[BillP]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

I asked a certified CAT tech today (who is working on my CAT 3126B)about "Freedom Fuel Additive". The tech spent all last week training at CAT for fuels, lubrication, injector systems, etc.. He said he never heard of it and not to use anything that CAT doesn't have a service bulletin on. He couldn't find a service bulletin in the official records. <br /><br /><br />I also received an email from CAT and they referred my question to a local CAT dealer. The dealer hasn't contacted me...I've done business with them and don't expect any response. Here's what I got from the CAT factory...<br /><br /><br />Thank you for your interest in Caterpillar. Your request has been received and forwarded to your local dealer, Ring Power Corporation. You should receive a reply from a dealer representative soon. <br /><br />anonymous@cat.com <br />06/08/2005 06:17 PM <br /> <br />To <br />To Cat_Info@cat.com <br />cc <br /><br />Subject Contact Caterpillar <br /><br />Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 07/08/2005 Retention Category: G90 - General Matters/Administration <br /><br />User Browser =Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1)<br />Location on site = http://www.cat.com/cda/components/fullArticle?m=37391&x=7&id=124812 <br />Remote Address =205.188.116.138<br /><br />FirstName Bill<br />LastName Pritchett<br />CompanyName BESCO Of Brevard<br />email wcpritchett@aol.com<br />AddressLine1 <br />AddressLine2 <br />City Palm Bay<br />Country US<br />State Florida<br />PostCode 32907<br />Phone 321-288-5334<br />Reason: Product_Information<br />Comments: I own a CAT 3126B and read that CAT is fleet testing "Freedom Fuel Additive manufactured by Polar Molecular Inc." and you are now recommending for use in CAT engines. Is this truth of fiction? Do you recommend Freedom Fuel Additive for CATs? Thanks, Bill Pritchett

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

I've received emails with Caterpiller in conversation with our company as my team sends the to us...You have no idea how wrong you are and how stupid you will feel when I prove you wrong...and I will, period.<br />I'm surprised one of you aren't contacted by the Military for advice as much as you know about anything that pops up....Maybe the Pres. himself will be calling???<br />I'm tired of arguing with the "UN-Educated" on this subject...you still don't understand it is an EXCLUSIVE product just coming out of initial testing (the reformulation), and NO, the general public WILL NOT be given any info until confirmation and patents are completely obtained...With the level of knowledge you have Bill, you "should" understand how that works, but then again, maybe you really don't "know" as much as you want everyone to believe.<br />Now, Mods, please step in and do something with this because I don't feel much like an "adult" at this point, playing with the children here.

 

[Mod2]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Gents...I strongly suggest we let this thread simmer for a while before it gets locked or "poofed" out of existence. It is apparent that more info is needed that does not yet exist for the product that Kenny is speaking of. Let the post ride until it is.<br /><br />Thank you all for your cooperation.

 

[BillP]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Kenny, You're getting uptight about nothing. Yes, I am "UN-Educated" about this product and trying to gather data that supports your posting. It is always buyer beware and no matter what the outcome is I won't feel stupid. However, I WOULD BE stupid if I used the product without investigating first and it trashed an expensive CAT engine...lawn equipment I will take chances with but won't do it on big $$$$$$ motors. I know you wouldn't pour anything into an airplane engine without making sure it was legit.<br /><br />Peace

 

[stevens]

Re: Diesel fuel additives; voodoo or real benefits?

Thanks, everyone. We may pick up on this once Quietcat and I have received our samples and have given it a try, or once any other test results are reported. <br /><br />Now, going back to my original question that started this thread; by now I have a month's worth of experience with the Startron additive. That equals only about 3 running hours, since the summer weather has completely eluded us so far.<br /><br />Have I noticed any difference in the way my engine runs or behaves? No, none at all except today the smell of exhaust fumes was noticable, for the first time ever! It is expelled through the propeller and has never before been even noticed. The engine is one year old and has less than 100 running hours on it.<br /><br />To top it off, it turned out that the Startron bottle had been leaking through its cap and through several plastic bags, inside my duffel bag of tools and accessories. These are now all covered with this stuff that smells exactly like diesel to me...<br /><br />We'll see how this goes, and if the smell of exhaust fumes disappears again. So far, the Startron experience is not exactly thrilling.