First boat, first restore. 59 Crosby (I think)

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That sounds like a potential screaming deal though so it would be worth investigating. Especially if it has power TnT. With these motors, if compression is good, everything else is fixable fairly reasonably.
 

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hmm.. now you have me second guessing myself. :faint2:
I'm just new and didn't want to inherit someone elses problems. All I was thinking was.. sure $500 initially, but $$$$$ to come.


This is where you tell me to get off my butt and get that motor..like yesterday.
 

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If it has Good compression, another 500 bucks could make it like new. A new 70 hp motor is over 10 times that much
 

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That sounds like a potential screaming deal though so it would be worth investigating. Especially if it has power TnT. With these motors, if compression is good, everything else is fixable fairly reasonably.

If it has Good compression, another 500 bucks could make it like new. A new 70 hp motor is over 10 times that much

Yesterday would have been good, Saturday is still great though..... Napa, AutoZone &/or Advance may have compression test kits for rent (charge you $XX to take it, refund 100% when you return it).

Take what you think it will take to buy the motor (may be <$500) and be prepared to walk if the seller gives you bad vibes. Ultimately it will fall to you to decide for yourself if it's a deal or a headache (fuzzy ownership details chief among them).

But T&T on a vintage 16' Crosby would be GREAT....

BTW: Napa here in WV carries (or can get them in a couple days) quite a few Johnny-Rude parts beyond plugs & basic service items
 

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well.. looks like I'm going to be making another phone call. If he is willing to really work with me, I would prefer to take some photos to post so I can get some second opinions (even though your probably thinking its a no brainier at this point) . Unfortunately I don't have too many marine mechanic friends to assess it with me, but I do have you guys. Thank God.
 

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Get a serial # and post them before you go look at it. You can look it up & confirm it's a 1986 70hp Johnson. And get some details about it here.

The VRO system can be disabled, and just use pre-mix, adding 2-cycle oil to the gas. Ez uss off-road style fuel cells to pre-mix a set volume of fuel w/ the correct amount of oil. Then just tops off his boat's tanks as needed w/ the already mixed gas.
 

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So the original ad was on craigslist.
[h=2]70 johnson outboard - $500 (providence)[/h]70 hp johnson outboard. Attached to glasstron parts boat. Ran great two seasons ago.
500.00 for motor with controls or take eveything for 300.00 since boat itself is junk.


  • Location: Providence
 

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I contacted the gentleman about it and he stated it was a 1986, and that it was his friends etc. I called him, he said it was at his house and I could take a look at it but he is in New Orleans. I just had a rough time trusting someone I just met, I mean it came off weird I guess snooping around someones house with them not there. How did I know if this isn't someone elses house. I'm just saying, it's not like going over a friends house. Anyway I will contact him again, and I think I will get a compression tester, as I'm sure I can probably use it in the future anyway.
 

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Might consider taking the boat & trailer too then for $300. Unless it costs $200 to dispose of a fiberglass hull @Exeter. Might get some parts & pieces worth selling.

How's the trailer under the Crosby? Maybe 2 less then good trailers combined to be 1 good trailer. Windshield might be sell-able. No rush to try & get the motor/t&t/controls off the boat while you're at the sellers.

Look into the new title & etc in RI too. Most of that info, for most states, is available online.
 

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The only issue with taking the boat is, after talking to the guy on the phone he stated the trailer is garbage and he wouldn't recommend going over a few miles with it. Providence is roughly 40 min. (20ish miles) away. Now as you can see from the ad, theres no photos. I have no idea how big of boat were talking here, It can house a 70hp so that gives us some indication. I will obviously have to contact him and get more details on the boat and how rough of shape the trailer is, but its just another logistical challenge.
 

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I should just look to see how much it would be to have it shipped to my house. < $200, maybe worth it, after scrapping the trailer.

The Crosby's trailer is actually in fantastic shape, minus the last rung where it went into the salt water when launching. (could use some leaf springs, but thats relatively minor)
 

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Get a serial # and post them before you go look at it. You can look it up & confirm it's a 1986 70hp Johnson. And get some details about it here.

The VRO system can be disabled, and just use pre-mix, adding 2-cycle oil to the gas. Ez uss off-road style fuel cells to pre-mix a set volume of fuel w/ the correct amount of oil. Then just tops off his boat's tanks as needed w/ the already mixed gas.


Thank you for the link to check out the motor. Do have a few questions- VRO ? disabled, something that shouldn't be on while running it dry I assume? I follow you with the rest.
 

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Thank you for the link to check out the motor. Do have a few questions- VRO ? disabled, something that shouldn't be on while running it dry I assume? I follow you with the rest.

No

It's a remote reservoir of 2-cycle oil. It mixes oil into the gas as it's fed to the motor, so YOU don't have to run 2-cycle oil PRE-MIXED (oiled) gas.

HOWEVER, it also means that you could run the motor w/out oil if any portion of the oil injection system fails, or YOU forget to keep the reservoir full. NO OIL = QUICK pending motor failure. So to prevent running the motor w/out oil, many disable the system & just run pre-mixed gas like boat owners have been doing since 2-cycle motors were introduced.....

Here's a video:

It's just another method of getting the 2-cycle oil to the motor. When it works, it's supposed to work good. VRO-2 is a newer version of the same system, but I'm not sure when the switch was made. I think VRO-2 has also been superseded by another oiling system, that's supposed to be even more bulletproof.

Knowing you can disconnect it & run pre-mixed gas is just something to know, & keep in mind if you buy a VRO equipped motor...

Use Google & the iboats search function on the resto forum homepage and search for: Johnson VRO

Or 1986 Johnson 70hp VRO

you will get plenty of hits & likely find more info then you ever thought you might want to know about VRO's :D

If you have a 1st/last name and the phone # for the seller, plus an address where the boat is located, google the ph#, and check the phonebook & see if that info all checks against the address. You can google map the address & zoom in on the address, might get lucky & be able to see the boat in the yard. That map page will have a copyright or photo taken date. That date may help you fact check the seller's story about how long it's been in the yard.

BTW: google street mapping, w/ the funky 360deg camera, may have done a drive-by on the property, so you might get another view of the property w/ or w/out the boat. The google street map photos would be much more recent....
 

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Thank you jb for the VRO info. It's amazing how one video can turn the utter most confusion into complete understanding.

Moving forward:

I am still doing my due diligence on investigating all the information for the title and registration. I decided I was going to do some sanding as my labor is free. I was most pleased with what I found.

1) Here is the arsonell of tools I was planning on using.
2) Much to my appeasement a flat blade and a hammer was all that was necessary.
3) I'm sure who ever owned the boat before I was not a member on this forum because the didn't seem to have a clue as to what they were doing. Not that I do, but with any help from you guys my fiberglass work will come out a little stronger than this.
4) Moving forward- this took an entire 45 min. to rip up. I was anticipating a 3-4 week minimum of sanding, grinding, chiseling and the occasional cursing. ahh yeah :D
5) The plywood is going to be ripped up, but as of right now I couldn't be happier.
 

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So I started to tear into the floor to assess all the water damage. I took a saws all to underneath the front deck because as you can see from the first photo it was pretty rotted. I'm going to replace that.
After getting the shelf out I had access to the plywood. As expected, it was pretty water logged and will be removed. What I didn't expect to see was how flimsy underneath the plywood was. There was maybe a light coating of resin; no where nearly enough. I'm not an expert, but I think there should be at least a 1/4" of resin. Does anyone have any recommendations of some good resin to put down? I'm going to do my research, but I would think you need a solid coat of resin before you put down the new plywood.

It's just a guess, but I think I need to: scratch the existing resin, re epoxy it, scratch/sand reapply resin, plywood fiberglass & resin. Again I have never done this before I'm just winging it, but I certainly want to do it right the first time. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
 

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I did pick these up the day after I got the boat. 1 gal. of the Polyester resin with the hardner, and I have 2 of the 8sq. feet of this mat, that I have no idea the weight of it so I have no idea if the 1 gal, is going to be enough. I realize I'm going to need a lot more resin and mat. But it's just a matter calculating the proper amount. :twitch:
 

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Uhhmmm, I would return the resin and mat. That is not what you want to use. You need to use marine quality Lamination Resin un-waxed. You will need a minimum of 10 gals. You will also need approx. 10 Sq. Yds of 1.5 oz CSM (Chopped Strand Mat) as well as the same amount of 1708 Biaxial cloth. It all depends on how much needs to be replaced but based on the Pics I see, I suspect the entire deck, transom, and stringer system will need to be.
 

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Thank you. Yeah I really only want to do this once and do it right. I will pick the above mentioned up soon. And yes, pretty much the entire boat needs reinforced. Maybe I should double the amount that you mentioned.,
Sense were talking, the put pressure treated down, do you recommend the same or should I use something else?
Thanks.
 

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Personally I don't like PT plywood due to the Chemicals and It takes Forever for it to dry and the glass has problems adhereing to it. I'd recommend a good quality exterior grade plywood like Arauco ply from Lowe's or Home Depot. I think 15 Gals of Resin and 15 yds of each of the glass components would be just about right for you. You will need some Cabosil, Glass bubbles and Chopped Strand too. We can get you a more complete list when the time comes. You should concentrate on the Demo right now and get all the bad stuff out of her and get her sanded down and prepped for all the new stuff to come.
 
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