fogging oil substitute

demmer

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going to winterize my motor soon, is it safe to use WD40 or a similiar product as a fogging oil. just curious.
 

roscoe

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Re: fogging oil substitute

I wouldn't. Others may.<br />You can get a can of fogging oil for $5
 

dajohnson53

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WD-40, to this layman's eye, is nothing like fogging oil. It's like comparing water to syrup. WD-4 is primarily a water displacer ("WD"), and also designed to penetrate. It's not primarily a lubricant. It is pretty obvious when you compare the two, that WD-40 is very thin and runny and fogging oil is thick and "clingey". I attribute that to the fact that fogging oil is designed to stick to metal parts to coat them, and not run off during the winter.<br /><br />I may be all wrong, but to me, there's no comparison and it would be silly to substitute - unless you absolutely have on access to fogging oil. IF that was the case, I'd use TCW3 or other motor oil, and try to spray some into the carb like fogging oil, or at least put it in the cylinders and turn the engine over.
 

LubeDude

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Re: fogging oil substitute

Originally posted by 1980140L6:<br /> going to winterize my motor soon, is it safe to use WD40 or a similiar product as a fogging oil. just curious.
Absolutly not!<br /><br />If you are going to fog the engine, step up and buy the right product.<br /><br />I live just south of you on the Oregon coast, and I never have ever fogged any outboard I have ever had. I have to store my boat outside with a tarp over it and all I do is store the engine in the down position, every month or so I pump the bulb hard, and turn the engine over just a quick click, I dont even use a stablizer. I leave the (Plastic) builtin tank about half full then in the spring I fill it up with High test. I have never had any problems in the spring when I start the boat. Boat is setting idle for about 4-5 months.
 

imported_Curmudgeon

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Re: fogging oil substitute

USAF fogs jet engines with WD. Not sure of it's effect during long term storage ... ;)
 

demmer

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Re: fogging oil substitute

thanks guys for your input. im a 1st time boat owner and i want to be 100% sure that the internal parts of the motor will not rust or sieze up during the winter. i was just curious anyway. thanks again.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by BWS:<br /> What about deep creep. Can you use this for fogging?
I wouldnt, Even though its a lubricant I dont think it would work well. Here is one for ZMOZ and me, if we were to fog our engines. I dont think he does either.<br /><br />I would take a spray bottle, put a little gas in it, pour a bit of diesel oil into it, (Im not talking diesel fuel, Im talking oil), shake it up and spray it into the carbs while the engine was running, then shut it off. Diesel oil would have plenty of additives for protection over the winter and probably much longer. The fact that its not TC-W3 would have no effect on anything because you are not going to run it very long, you are just coating everything.<br /><br />Now, I would do it, but do this at your own risk, <br /><br /> IM NOT RECOMMENDING IT TO ANYONE!!!
 

dajohnson53

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What kind of additives does diesel oil have in it that make it a good substitute for fogging oil? Are they the same sort of additives that fogging oil has in it?
 

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Originally posted by BWS:<br />What about deep creep. Can you use this for fogging?
I personally see this as a situation where if you are gonna do it use a product designed for it. Sort of like how its better to buy speakers, a reciever, and dvd player seperately rather than a home theatre in a box, because the products that work the best are designed for a specific purpose....not multiple ones. If that didnt make sense i'm sorry, been thinkin bout home theatre stuff all day. If you really want to fog use fogging oil. deep creep is great for decarbing, but probably not the best available option when fogging. JMHO
 

blackwaterstout

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Are their any good fogging products I can buy at an auto store (Napa, Advance Auto, etc) rather than buying froma marine distributor. I have no good local distribs.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by D.:<br /> What kind of additives does diesel oil have in it that make it a good substitute for fogging oil? Are they the same sort of additives that fogging oil has in it?
Maybe this was a troll, maybe not, I was just thinking out loud.<br /><br />Even if you did the same thing with TC-W3 oil, it would work great. Much cheaper than buying a special product.<br /><br />Diesel oils have a great TBN, Which makes them a very good storage oil. Lots of car collectors use it for that very reason. Lots of antioxidents and acid fighting additives. Would be a VERY bad oil to use as a premix everyday, but would work great for storage.<br /><br />To answer your question, I would say yes, and then some.
 

ondarvr

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Napa sells fogging oil.<br /> I would stick with something designed for that job, not a home brew, or something that might work. Even if you find something that does work almost as well and is free, you will only save about five bucks.
 

sergioy

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I always thought fogging oil was for I/O not for 2-cycle outboards. :confused: :confused: :confused:
 

mrloring

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I use fogging oil in any engine that will not be use for winter/summer. Lawnmower, weed wacker, outboard and snow blower. Probably don't have to, but it makes me feel better :D and a $5 can of oil goes a long way. I also use stabilizer, but thats another thread.
 

dajohnson53

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Re: fogging oil substitute

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />
Originally posted by D.:<br /> What kind of additives does diesel oil have in it that make it a good substitute for fogging oil? Are they the same sort of additives that fogging oil has in it?
Maybe this was a troll, maybe not, I was just thinking out loud.<br /><br />Even if you did the same thing with TC-W3 oil, it would work great. Much cheaper than buying a special product.<br /><br />Diesel oils have a great TBN, Which makes them a very good storage oil. Lots of car collectors use it for that very reason. Lots of antioxidents and acid fighting additives. Would be a VERY bad oil to use as a premix everyday, but would work great for storage.<br /><br />To answer your question, I would say yes, and then some.
I'm not trolling, but just asking because it doesn't make sense to me that diesel oil or TCW3 would work as good or better than a product specifically made for fogging. <br />I'm not saying they wouldn't be a decent substitute if the real product wasn't available, but I can't understand how they'd be as good or better. Also, I can't believe that either would be cheaper in any meaningful sense. Yes, it might be $1 rather than 3, but that, to me is not a factor that I'd ever consider when maintaining an engine of any sort.<br /><br />The way this amateur sees it (which means it's not necessarily true!), fogging oil is designed to not burn, not pick up contaminats, not to be a good lubricant for a running engine, but cling to metal surfaces and stay put for storage purposes.<br /><br />TCW3 is designed to lubricate while mixing with gasoline and going through the carburetion / combustion process, not necessarily staying in place for a long time after the engine shuts down. <br /><br />Diesel oil is designed to circulate through a diesel engine, lubricating and picking up contaminants to be filtered, also not necessarily staying in place for months after the engine is idle.<br /><br />I'm talking about my perception of the physical properties of the oils, not necessarily the additives (which could be one in the same, I don't know).<br /><br />Maybe it's because I don't understand what this means: "Diesel oils have a great TBN, Which makes them a very good storage oil."<br /><br />Thanks for the information, I'm just trying to learn a little.
 

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Diesel (fuel/oil = same thing) would be the last thing I would use for a rust inhibitor! <br />Up here in Ontario the insurance(crooks) companies make you change your oil tank every 10 years because they rust from the inside out.<br />Also I have recently changed some steel lines on my old ford diesel truck and they too were rusty on the inside. <br />There are also alot of different kinds of bacteria that grow in diesel if left untreated that can promote oxidization. <br />Not trolling, just my opinion based on personal observances :) <br />Jon
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by jheron:<br /> Diesel (fuel/oil = same thing)
No, No, No, I was refering to diesel lubricating oil. The oil you use in the crank case.<br /><br />By mixing either oils very rich, maybe even 50-50, you would have plenty of protection probably for several years. I dont know the make up of the fogging sprays, but the main thing they do is evaporate away the carrier propelant leaving whats left. Probably no better than a good quality oil.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> Now, I would do it, but do this at your own risk, <br /><br /> IM NOT RECOMMENDING IT TO ANYONE!!!
;) Now remember, this was my original statement!! ;)
 

Scaaty

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Spray/pour some Marvel Mystery oil in it, and shut it down. No one knows what it is either, but it comes in a neat looking bottle, and its the ultimate snake oil. I use it on everything but my pancakes. :D
 
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