glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

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Bert1

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

I for one am getting sick and tired of the Bayliner bashing that I continually find in the posts. If you have nothing constructive to contribute to the discussion, dont contribute at all. In this case someone is asking for information as to how to select the best boat for his needs. Lets provide an intelligent response without bashing a great number of posters who happen to like Bayliners. It is true that there have been quality issues in the past, but to the best of my knowledge these have been resolved. It is true that Bayliners are price point boats and you do get what you are wiling to pay for, but that is my choice to make. <br /><br />Now to answer the question being asked, I have a Bayliner 160cf and it has served us well. Take the advice provided and compare the advantages and disadvantages of both boats before making your choice. Factor in how you are going to use it, the amount of people you will be carrying and your budget. Good luck with your decision and go with what makes you happy. One other point, do you have a dealer for these boats in your area and what is their reputations from servicing standpoint. <br /><br />Finally, I am aware that post will probably blacklist me with a number of you, but I had to go there. I have had some very positive experiences on this board and I have received some very constructive and usefull information, but unless I see some respect being provided to and by all I will drop this board from my favorites.
 
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peevuto

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

POINTER and PHATMIKE: You suggest the gas mileage is poor on Bayliner cuz of small 3.0L.?? <br /><br />Lets show how over simplistic calculations are inferior and usually wrong in real world applications, with some hard numbers.<br /><br />Lets take the Glastron (2500lb) vs the Bayliner (1900lb): 4.3L 220 HP consumes 7.4GPH at 25MPH and 2500RPM, vs. the 3.0L 135 HP consumes 3.9GPH at 25MPH and 3000RPM. Same loads (2 People).<br /><br />Speed diff = 0%<br />Fuel Consumption = +89%<br />Weight diff = +31.5%<br /><br />You have a bigger motor, more HP, not working as hard to get to 25mph (2500RPM vs 3000RPM). HOWEVER with a weight difference of only 31% between the boats, the fuel consumption almost DOUBLES, up to 89%!!<br /><br />Judge, I rest my case.
 
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maxxpower

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

Old Bayliners are of poor quality. Most people will agree with that statement. The fact that they were paired with Force motors didn't help matters either. Many people who bought the bargain priced packages in the 80's were inexperienced and failed to maintain their boats. All these things combined with the fact that they sold more boats than any other manufacturer gave them there bad reputation. That being said, all of you who say they're still producing bad products need to go and look at the new ones! I have a 175 which fits my needs just fine and it stacks up to the Glastron quite well, For $7000 less [final price of base SX175 at my closest dealer].Lifetime warranty on hull, deck, and transom. If you want to make a statement about the new Bayliners being inferior back it up with some facts.
 
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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

To,<br />Burt1,+ All the other Happy Bilgeliner owners........<br />I have No Problem with Your Boat......<br />Or, <br /> Your Decision to Buy it......<br />You boys are taking this Way Too Personal........<br />I'll Still Help ya Fix them........<br /><br />The Question was asked,<br />Which is a Better Boat, Glastron, or Bilgeliner.........<br />And, I Stand by My Answer............ Glastron......<br /><br />peevuto,<br />Do you Really Belive that the 600lbs.(31.5%) is in the Difference in the Motors ?????????<br /><br />Nope,.... it's,<br />Bilgeliners are Still built with the Least amount of Inferior Materials Possible .......<br /> About 400lbs. of Missing FiberGlass .............<br /><br />I rest My Case........ :D
 
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japd99

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

Look into the Sea Ray 185 Sport or 182 SRX which they stopped making last year. They are better quality than Glastron and better resale. I got an 182 SRX for 21K and it is awesome.
 
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cobra 3.0

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

$7000.00!!! That's a lot of dough! Are we comparing the same sized engines? If not, this isn't a fair comparison.<br /><br />What about hull design? Who's hull design is more efficient/faster and smoother on the water? I'd love a side by side test drive to compare...but with the same size engines.<br /><br />I've always admired Glastrons. Their known to be solid, fast boats. I wonder if the Bayliner boat can stack up from a performance perspective. <br /><br />The quality discussion is getting a little tiresome and boring. I don't think anybody really feels that the new Bayliners aren't up to snuff. I'd rather see a discussion on what one can feel on the water.
 
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bluewater19

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

Last I looked my glastron 175sx weighs 2250lbs with the v-6.<br />I also paid a little over 16k with the v-6 bimini and lorance depth finder. <br />Also the base model 175mx glastron can be had for 11k with the 3.0, trailer and lifetime hull deck and transom warranty plus its made with VEC technology. And I know my v-6 doesn't drink 7.4 gallons per hour at 25 mph. With a 23 gallon tank I would be tapped in 3 hours. I have cruised for 2 hrs in each direction at 3000-3200 rpm(35mph) and still have fuel left when I am done. Sorry Peevauto your numbers don't add up.<br />Also I have used my boat 2-3 times a week from march to november and it still looks as good as when I bought it(less a scratch from a docking mishap). I looked at bayliner and I could have bought a 185 v-6 powered bayliner for less than my glastron, But I needed a boat that fit in my garage and had a v-6. I would of been very unhappy with the plastic fenders and non folding tongue on the crappy trailer that came with the bayliner, and it still would not have fit in my garage. I stick with my glastron.
 
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MrBill

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

No Brainer...Glastron, but as the price indicates, these are not comparable products.
 
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quantumleap

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

zzzzz....zzzzz....zzzzz... :eek: It's like watching the same movie over and over!
 
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Formula1974

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

if a glastron costs about 7 grand more then a bayliner and you bought one of each and went to resell them later you wouldnt need to make as much money for the bayliner since it cost less right? If you can sell a used bayliner for 5000 and a used glastron for 13000 you still made out since you saved 7000 when you bought the boat. is there more then a 7000 dollar difference between say a '99 glastron and a '99 bayliner?<br /><br />if you pay 10 grand for a bayliner and make 3 grand when you sell it or if you pay 17 for a glastron and make 10 when you sell it it is the same profit margin just less money out of your pocket. <br /><br />Is my thinking right with this?
 
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srperry01

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

your math's right but I don't know if that's a real world expectation. i would guess that you would also have to factor in any maintenece cost to one boat that you wouldn't have to do to another. I don't think that this formula is going to end the "do bayliners suck" debate however.
 
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I think a good indicator of what you're buying is in the hull weights and since both boats are the same length it's a valid comparison. <br /><br />This is from one of peevuto's posts.
Lets take the Glastron (2500lb) vs the Bayliner (1900lb):
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The difference in engine weight is 230lb. ( www.mercurymarine.com/sterndrives ). That means the difference in actual hull weight is 370lb. That a lot of fibreglass!<br /><br />Chris..........
 
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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

Seems like I said that........ :D :D
 
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bluewater19

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

My glastron175sx specs out at 2250 with the V-6. That was according to the dealer since there is no weight given with the bigger motor. The factory weight with the 3.0 4cyl is 2050. It only has 150-200lbs more glass than the bayliner and it was built with VEC technology. check it out here. http://www.glastron.com/pages/PlantTour.html
 
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I post into this thread cuz I believe that it is important to provide your knowledge, not your emotions or "feelings".<br /><br />Opinions misrepresent and mislead whether by self disallusionment, or for other purposes not completely disclosed. Those who do so show their ignorance with their responses to those who have the experience to know what is possible and correct. <br /><br />Most folks post with a question or to share the benefit of their training or experience. There are very few that come to this forum with an agenda. I have no problems at all with people who own a Bayliner. It is a very popular brand and they fill a niche that is found almost everywhere. I don't judge people on what they drive but how they drive it and maintain it and their understanding of the seamanship. <br /><br />It is important to know that what we say makes an impression on how we are viewed by others and the gravity that our opinion is given. As much as I would like to believe that my boat is capable of time travel, to post that would make my future statements somewhat irrelevant. Continued contradictions of my own statements would make it even more irrelavant. But those new to this forum come here with an interest to draw upon the knowledge base of this site and anyone who puts forth information that is unfactual makes others decisions more difficult or at least will pertetuate myths about boats, brands, performance, etc. In this world, fudging is unacceptable and if you are posting opinions they should be stated as such.
 
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peevuto

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Re: glastron 175 vs bayliner 175

All stats I provided were courtesy of boattest and are accurate.<br /><br />The boat used in the example above was the Glastron 185, not the 175, so duh, of course there will be more fibreglass weight. <br /><br />The above calculations are accurate and can not be disputed, as they are based on fact.. you all were making ASSumptions which were incorrect. The v-6 will get worse gas mileage pound per pound.<br /><br />Now about all the quality discussions, lets just for arguments sake say that fibreglass is a better material than unexposed, pressure treated wood backed with a lifetime warranty -> even though boat reviews do talk at length about wood having its definite advantages when used in appropriate areas as it is in the Bayliner design.<br /><br />But, for arguments sake, lets just say that the Glastron is built better... <br /><br />How is it built better? No one else can answer that so, we won't answer it for this demonstration either, lets just assume it is built better 'somehow'.<br /><br />The Glastron 175SX has less features like storage, dash appearance, carpeting, padding, wake tower, stereo, etc, but lets just say, for arguments sake, it has more features as well. <br /><br />How does it have more features? It doesn't really, lets just say it does for the purpose of this demonstration.<br /><br />From shopping around, we know the 175SX sells for 3k USD more than the bayliner. Keeping in mind the engines are the same, is the quality and the features you 'supposedly' get worth the extra 3k? If so, it should be easy to itemize and list the features and benefits you get that are worth the 3k...<br /><br />Soooo.... go ahead.<br /><br />You Can't.<br /><br />I tried. When I first went boat shopping.<br /><br />The only way anyone diligent can justify the 3k is if they are biased against the bayliner, or just love the Glastron name. If you take a unbiased, practical approach like I did (I wasn't aware of the Bayliner past) and itemize a list of features and benefits, you will find out that you get way more value in the Bayliner.<br /><br />Now compound that with the reviews online that speak of the excellent hull design and ride of the Bayliner, and there is only one question remaining:<br /><br />Do you have 3k burning a hole in your pocket?
 
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