Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Joe Reeves

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

If the combustion is actually firing out the exhaust which would sound like a shotgun being fired, either the flywheel key is sheared or (as Dhadley states above) you have a coil crossed with one other coil. In either case, the engine would not run properly at any rpm if it ran at all.<br /><br />Note that the flywheel nut must be torqued to 105 foot pounds.<br /><br />If the backfire sounds more like a spitting back type action, that would usually be due to fouled carburetors or restricted slow speed jets. You may have overlooked something in the carburetor area. The jets have a number on them indicating the opening in thousands..... run a proper size drill bit thru them to clean them out.<br /><br />The fact that the engine gains rpms when you shoot gas into the carburetor throats would indicate that the fuel flow thru the carburetor fuel passages are restricted. Did you actually manually clean the four (4) brass fixed high speed and slow speed jets? If not, do so.<br /><br />When running the engine at a low rpm.... when it is backfiring, spitting back, whatever, stick two fingers into the carburetor throats, one throat at a time. If the engine rpms pick up and the engine smooths out somewhat at any given carb throat, that carburetor is fouled at some area.
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Hey Guys <br /> Im gonna try to do a compression check tonight or tomorrow<br />As far as the carbs go if I open the butterflies with my fingers sometimes she will rev up and others she sounds a sucking sound and stalls<br /> As far as the missing goes it sounds like its muffed if you know what I mean
 

firstboat25

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Hey guys <br /> Just wanted to give an update I will be doing a compression test tomorrow I got a tester today and was gonna do it but it is pouring rain here <br />I will post as soon as I get the numbers
 

firstboat25

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Hey Guys <br /><br /> I did a compression check today and here are the results <br />cyl 1- 125<br />cyl 2-124<br />cyl 3-129<br />cyl 4-119/120<br /> how do the look ?<br />a recap the engine will run and idle but will miss and puff out smoke when it misses and stall fires right back up if I raise the idle to max threw the cable adjustment seems to be less noticable when I put a load on her she will start off ok but needs a shot of mix into carbs to keep running and go she will throttle back up aslong as I dont put her into neutral <br />I have to also open the butterflies by hand to get right responce when throttleing up <br /> Please Help !<br />Thanks
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Where should I go from here
 

byacey

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I would check the key before you start opening up the carb. It's an easy thing to check. If the key is good, it points towards the carb, or a vacuum leak.
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

do my compression numbers look ok
 

steamboatwilly

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

What about doing a SYNC-N-LINK",maybe its out of time somewhere.
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

how do I go about doin that
 

byacey

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Compression looks fine, I wouldn't worry about the link and sync at this point unless the throttle is hanging open. Get it to idle first, and then worry about the high speed. Chances are if you fix what is plaguing the slow speed operation, You'll find the cure to the high speed problem too.
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Thank You bill I just dont know what else to do <br />Running out of ideas on what is causing this
 

MCM

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Dave, your comp #'s are fine I wish I had them.<br /><br />Did you have this problem before you started replacing parts?<br /><br />Have you got a manual for your motor?<br /><br />The miss you refer to sounds more like a backfire.<br /><br />A backfire can be caused by several or a combination of things.<br /><br />Such as a air or vacuum leak, the leak can be caused from a bad gasket (any gasket), a bad hose (vacuum hose or fuel line), bad fuel/air mix (running to lean), bad leaf valves, as well as a timing problem.<br /><br />All that said your problem sounds alot like fuel mix issue, too much air not enough fuel (lean).<br /><br />Double or triple check carb adjustments and check for vacuum leaks.<br /><br />Good Luck,<br />Mike :)
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

The problem was there before parts got replaced <br />I changed things out as they were failing <br />She ran good on the muffs then one day this started and has got progressively worse <br />cant even enjoy boat on water beacause if you slow down to much it stalls then have to take cover off and all thats why I have had it<br /> I mixed the fuel at a 50:1 ratio I will double check it, on carbs what adjustments should I look for I do have a manual <br />I do have a manual
 

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

If you have high speed jets make sure they're set to spec, better yet you may want to pull them and make sure you haven't picked a peice of crud thats blocking one or more of them.<br /><br />Make sure the slow speed needles are set properly.<br /><br />If this somthing that just started though, its more likely you've picked up some blockage maybe in a fuel passage or jet.<br /><br />Have the carbs been rebuilt or cleaned recently?<br /><br />Try pumping the primer bulb when it stars acting up, if it improves preformance, that would narrow it down to a fuel delivery issue.<br /><br />Did you read that link I earlier, I know its long but it covers alot of areas.<br /><br />Hope that helps a little,<br />Mike :rolleyes:
 

firstboat25

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Hey Guys <br /> I found a set of carbs on ebay from an 82 115hp <br />look to be in great shaoe I asked the seller if they would fit my 1975 115hp he says yes <br />can some confirm for me they will this is what he wrote :The carbs will fit, however the choke system is different. You will need to<br />go with the newer direct choke injection system, which is a part of this<br />auction. I'm pretty sure this choke system will work with your current<br />control box, however please check with your local dealer to verify this<br />before bidding.
 

djzyla1980

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

I'm guessing these are used... and you already have used carbs. You could end up with a carb rebuild anyways. It would be more cost effective, as well as time if you went and got the carb kits. Soak the carbs, blow um out, and then put them back like they were. The day you get the kits could be the day it runs right, Instead of waiting and hoping for the "used" carbs, having to change things, and then possibly a rebuild.<br /><br />Time is money... just depends on how you want to spend it :confused:
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

I may pick them up anyways to have. The carbs were rebuilt about a month ago im gonna take them apart again and see if they are jammed.<br />Thanks guys
 

steviecops

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Hi Dave<br />If your flywheel key was sheared, I doubt the engine would run at all. Yet you say it'll run with a squirt of premix into the carbs. You've also replaced a lot of electrical parts and it hasn't cured anything. If you've checked that the coil wires aren't mixed up, as Dhadley and Joe Reeves suggest, I'd bet it was fuel related. What you describe as a miss and backfire, could be a lean sneeze.<br /><br />I would buy carb kits and do a search on here about carb cleaning. With the carbs cleaned and rebuilt properly, I reckon your motor will run like it should.
 

firstboat25

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

Thanks stevie <br /> I did double check the wires and everything and they are all hooked up correct <br /> I did rebuld the carbs about a month or so ago I will go ahead and do it again at this point what is there to lose
 

djzyla1980

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Re: Help is anyone local motor has pushed my buttons for the last time

When you rebuilt them did you soak them really good in a good cleaner????<br /><br />EDIT: Yes even if it has a sheard flywheel key it can still run... It will misfire and backfire like nut's
 
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