Increasing Fuel Prices

JB

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Guys like Bob and me remember when going boating did not require petroleum. We had oars, paddles, bicycles, good shoes and wind (remember KEDS?).

Quit feeling so helpless. You can deal with it and tell the cartels to go fly a kite; and the kite doesn't require petroleum, either. :)
 

DayCruiser

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We are a long way from peak summer driving season and paying $3.35 here for .87 octane. I run .92 in the boats
 

ezmobee

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I'm optimistically hoping it won't go as high as it did that last time again and if so, only briefly. Although it seemed like people were still buying the same amount of fuel when it was $4 a gallon....from what I've read they weren't. Demand dropped dramatically. The market knows what the breaking point is.
 

eaglejim

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love my old boat that has a 5 gallon tank I usually bring 10 gallons to the lake house to keep from having to use the marina gas
 

bruceb58

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There is a bright side! Less people on the lake!
 

RGrew176

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$3.49 to $3.54 a gallon here street pricing. Marina pricing when they open next month will be 60 cents or more a gallon. It is a bummer.
 

puddle jumper

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I saw a billboard sign at a gas station on tv the other day. It went like this.

Regular-LOL
Mid grade-OMG
Premium-WTF

We are now accepting application's for loans to fill you tank.

Good thing my wife has a status card so we don,t pay the taxes on fuel.
 

DaNinja

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I saw a billboard sign at a gas station on tv the other day. It went like this.

Regular-LOL
Mid grade-OMG
Premium-WTF

We are now accepting application's for loans to fill you tank.

Good thing my wife has a status card so we don,t pay the taxes on fuel.
Taxes make up a big chunk of the fuel price. I know I can recoup that in Missouri for the boat. I don't think Texas has anything like that.
 

Bigprairie1

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Enjoy it while you can....up north here we are over $5/gallon. Could be worse tho'....check out the European prices.;):D
Anyways...you adjust one way or the other.
BP:):cool:
 

dlindeblad

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Enjoy it while you can....up north here we are over $5/gallon. Could be worse tho'....check out the European prices.;):D
Anyways...you adjust one way or the other.
BP:):cool:

"Street" price here is roughly $8.35 a gallon.
 

98Shabah

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For us, we really don't go through that much boat gas, the majority of our gas burned is in the tow vehicles (we live about 110 miles away from one of our "close" lakes).. a trip to a local lake costs a whole tank of gas in the tow vehicle and maybe 10 gallons in the boat if we do a LOT of cruising around.

I too will try to look at the bright side, I'll look forward to smaller crowd at the ramps and beaches. :)

It is funny though.. Back in the summer of '08 when gas prices hit the $4/gallon range I noticed many neighbors getting rid of large 4wd trucks and suvs (they didn't tow anything) in favor of smaller more efficient vehicles.. then in the last couple years they must have gotten amnesia, the little cars are gone, and the big SUVs are back. One house has 3 vehicles, a Ram 1500 Hemi 4x4, a hummer H2, and a F250 with a v10! Ouch!
 

bigdee

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"Street" price here is roughly $8.35 a gallon.

This is what will happen if government tries to control prices instead of the free market.....even though prices are higher right now it is still cheaper than most of the rest of world
 

DayCruiser

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European prices don't make me feel better for some reason LOL. I think you pay a lot more taxes than we do? We need research into alternative fuels quickly or the economy will grind to a halt and all our lifestyles will be changed. Forget the ethanol crapola. Right now we are the mercy of the crisis of the month or the "growing" world economy. If we stay on this path then we are doomed. Fossil fuels will run out no matter what in 60 years or so anyway..
Ya I want this thread to stay away from politics too. That is what keeps us in this mess. We need alternative fuels that are NOT related to food production. WE need them now.
I think Diesel is higher priced now because it is refined more. Lower sulfur content? Less polluting. Less gelling in cold weather?
$4.00 per gallon around here is the tipping point where people start changing their fuel consumption habits and the economy starts to feel the pain of less spending. I know I won't be able to cruise as much in a car or a boat
 

eastont

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I mentioned on an earlier thread that gas was over $4 per gallon in 2008 on the US shore, and the result was fewer boats on the water. If it going to be $5 per gallon this year, then that should equal even less boats and that's a good thing. It will mean more spaces to dock on the island and lots of open anchorages......
Gas here has been over $4 per gallon all year.
 

rbh

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As I pointed out in another thread, Canada is allready supplying 60% + - to the US, and if the issue of the civil war in Libiya is jacking up the price due to their 2% contrabution to the US, well I am pretty sure we and other suppliers could pick up some or all of the slack!!!!

BUT, thats not good for the speculators pocket book! :rolleyes:
 

Brewman61

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The cost of gas won't deter me one bit. Boat is paid for, biggest annual expense is slip rental, which I"ve managed to reduce by over $1300 for the upcoming season. That'll more than cover my gas expense for this summer. And then some. I don't tend to burn a lot of gas, mostly just bobbing around swimming and such.
 

QC

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I am going to work hard to keep this thread open. This may backfire, but help me here OK . . .

Taxes make up a big chunk of the fuel price.

Almost everywhere but in the US.

Enjoy it while you can....up north here we are over $5/gallon. Could be worse tho'....check out the European prices.

"Street" price here [Italy] is roughly $8.35 a gallon.

This is what will happen if government tries to control prices instead of the free market.....even though prices are higher right now it is still cheaper than most of the rest of world

European prices don't make me feel better for some reason LOL. I think you pay a lot more taxes than we do?

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Blue is the fuel portion of fuel price and the red is taxes. This is an Aussie chart in Aussie Dollars per liter. It doesn't matter what currency or volume unit, the ratio is the same. This is June 2010.

If you look at the red line down the middle, that is the median price for the commodity after it is refined. Yes, different crude quality and different fuel specs make the refining and commodity price a little fluid, but you can see it is pretty close worldwide. The only real difference in fuel price is taxes and it proves that market forces (including speculation) are in place and they affect us all equally.

We need research into alternative fuels quickly or the economy will grind to a halt and all our lifestyles will be changed. Forget the ethanol crapola. Right now we are the mercy of the crisis of the month or the "growing" world economy. If we stay on this path then we are doomed. Fossil fuels will run out no matter what in 60 years or so anyway..
Ya I want this thread to stay away from politics too. That is what keeps us in this mess. We need alternative fuels that are NOT related to food production. WE need them now.
"Research" is why politics is always involved with Alternate Fuels. Research = grants, grants = Government. Leave it to the market forces themselves and you'll get exactly what you want. There are no less costly "alternate" fuels for vehicles other than Natural Gas and in some cases Propane, and I guess Ethanol depending on how you add it up. That's it. If you all know of something else, let me know because I'll need to look for a new job . . . ;)

I suggest if we want to get into the specifics of Ethanol or Natural Gas or any other alternative, that we open a thread in Non-Boating Technical to deal with that.
 

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bigdee

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This is best illustration and most intelligent answer so far!
 

avenger79

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I don't usually let the price of gas slow down my activities other then to do less of things not involving fuel consumption. I will go out to eat less, by fewer items that are not necesary etc.

Course now days the only boat I have is a canoe, other then getting it to the water, it can "run" all day. LOL

fuel prices are part of life. I have a 50 mile one way commute so they do affect me but I just budget in other ways
 

DayCruiser

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I mentioned on an earlier thread that gas was over $4 per gallon in 2008 on the US shore, and the result was fewer boats on the water. If it going to be $5 per gallon this year, then that should equal even less boats and that's a good thing. It will mean more spaces to dock on the island and lots of open anchorages......
Gas here has been over $4 per gallon all year.

Well not everybody looks at others pain as their gain LOL
 
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