Iraq War

[txswinner]

I know many get mad when I compare Iraq to Vietnam but here we go again.<br /><br />Defense Investigators (US appointed by administration) are looking into the unprovoked murder of civilians in Iraq by US Marines. Sounds like a LT. Cauley deal to me. <br /><br />Having seen the ugliness first hand how is seeing your buddy's body blown apart and having to wash his brains off you clothes not provoked. Yeah it might have been a week ago but the fear and evil do not leave you. I HATE this unnecessary war and dispise those who started it.<br /><br />Attach all the trolls you like, this is my statement and requires no response.

 

[mikeandronda]

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War is hell and though Im not excussing those who kill unessassaraly is this any different then any other war? I doubt it. Iraq, vietnam, WW2 or WW 1 there was terrable deeds done in anger and in retrabution......add to that all the people we have over there and look at the % of murderers we have here in the states and there is bound to be things done that are evil............All war is unnecessary TX.

 

[tommays]

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We wont know if it was the right thing for a good 50 years or so depending on how many times history gets rewriten by then<br /><br /><br />tommays

 

[txswinner]

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Yeah but looks like some kids who are in the fight are going to be brought up on charges and suffer for reacting to their own suffering. Like it or not folks these marines are often young men and women not long out of prom suits and dresses. I am saddened for them and what they face. That is what is nasty on my plate today.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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War is hell, never been a clean one. They are all sad.<br /><br />Your right, it was unnecessary. All Saddam had to do was let the UN inspect everything and abide by the UN rules. I guess we were supposed to sit there and take it and then let every other psycho out there know that the USA is a pushover. <br /><br />Ken

 

[Dave Abrahamson]

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Originally posted by mikeandronda:<br /> ..All war is unnecessary TX.

Pretty broad statement there Mike. Who was it that said, "Without war, there can be no peace"?<br />Maybe he was right? Maybe not.

 

[POINTER94]

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Yep, just another example of support for our troops. They have been there for years and when was the last story of compassion and sucess have we seen. Oh, yea, there haven't been any sucesses or compassion for that entire time frame. <br /><br />I am outraged that our military would even comment on a story without a full investigation, as there are some who conclude the worst based on premature reports and bias sources.<br /><br />Has anyone seen a write up on a terrorists bombing and the fallout that equals this one? Who is the enemy?<br /><br />Should this be found to be true, is murder the correct term? Nice incidiary term but is it accurate? I would withhold judgement and finger pointing until all sides have been heard, and the facts are borne out.<br /><br />Someone who was in a war with terrorists might be able to shed some light on what might have been going on during this action. They might also be able to share what is the procedure for soldiers in just such an event. I understand that it is SOP to sweep the entire area after attacks of this type.

 

[txswinner]

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Why not quit understanding and sign up remember you are eligible to age 35 now. Do not start blaming the media for this, it is being reviewed by the government not by the media.

 

[JB]

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Seeing your buddy, who depended on you to keep him alive and on whom you depended, blown to bits is very traumatic.<br /><br />Well trained and well led marines, soldiers, etc. put the trauma aside and do what they are trained to do. It initially appears that these men were neither well trained nor well led. Whether that was the case remains to be seen.<br /><br />War is the most stressful experience known. Some individuals can do it, some can't. What happened there and in Abu Graib says nothing about the 100,000 plus Americans who are fighting for Iraqi freedom and liberty.<br /><br />Whether this war was necessary is debatable. Those of us who remember Hitler, Pol Pot, et al prefer not to wait until attacked or to let a despot thumb his nose at his commitments and defy the world.<br /><br />I would wager that your present position does not match your position in early 2003 and that you are the victim of a short memory and an unwillingness to see difficult tasks through to fruition.<br /><br />That you "hate this war and despise those who started it" demonstrates an intellectual immaturity, even if it is Saddam and terrorists that you despise.<br /><br />Mike, you are correct that all war is unnecessary, but you overlook the alternatives that we face every generation or so. Freedom and Liberty are also unnecessary. Which would you choose?

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Why o why do I even bother responding to your posts?? I gotta quit doing this.<br /><br />JB is 100% correct again.<br /><br />No further comment needed.<br /><br />Ken

 

[PW2]

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This is what Murtha was talking about a week or so ago.<br /><br />The marines are under a lot of stress over there, as they were in Vietnam, when they are in the middle of a civil war and can't really tell who the enemy is.<br /><br />Of course, some sargeant is likely to be blamed, charged, and court martialed while the generals (and Rummy) feigns outrage, just like they did in Viet Nam and Abu Gahraib.<br /><br />Don't you just feel loads safer however, knowing that OBL and his cronies are walking free, while we are prividing them recruiting videos while eliminating Saddam with his non-existent weapons with no possible way to deliver them anyway, even if he had them.

 

[scotty c]

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ultimately, being there or not won't change a thing...<br />the people there have a completely different<br />set of life standards than in north america.<br />they do not value life the same as we do,<br />and they will not stop the destruction.<br />It is their destiny and they are born ito it.<br />We cannot save them, only ourselves ....

 

[12Footer]

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Amoung many other "indicators", the one undeniable and overwhelming distinction seperates Iraq from Vietnam is:<br /><br /><br />We won.<br /><br />The anti-war,anti-American (read Mercey, Mikey Moore and Cindy Sheehan) protest wave didn't gain enough momentum soon enough.<br />I am glad of that, and I thank God every day.<br /><br />All main objectives have been achieved to the point where gradual troop reductions can occur.<br />I look forward to an official word of this in the form of a presidential speech (or something like it) soon -- Maybee even in the next couple of months.<br /><br /><br />What those who compare the war on islamic terror to the Vietnam war need to get a grip on -- and those others who are invested in our nation's defeat must also learn to endure somehow, is that we are still in Germany and Japan in many military roles.<br />So get a grip.....Here it comes............<br /><br />Expect the same in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[PW2]

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We won???<br /><br />When did that happen? I must have slept thru it!!!

 

[12Footer]

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That's is my point regarding your mission.<br />You lost and don't even have a grip on the concept.

 

[rodbolt]

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we won? then why didnt someone tell W the other day before his speech? while we have not "lost" we are a long way from winning according to the president last week and at the speech to west point today.<br />and its kinda hard to win a war on terror when you attack the wrong country.

 

[txswinner]

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First JB, you should speak to some marines, they are trained to kill and follow orders, nothing more nothing less. That is why we are the best fighting machine in the world. Be there done that and got the t-shirt.<br /><br />12 Feet, Are you on crack, you are the only and I stress only person I have heard who said we won the war in Afgan or Iraq.<br /><br />The right attacks my comment against the war but my real intent in this matter was some guys in the heat of battle are going to face incrimination while simply doing what they were trained to do.

 

[txswinner]

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Oh yeah, the comment "all war is unnecessary" is rather stupid. But for sure this war in Iraq is unnecessary!!!!<br /><br />And all the chickenhawks out there under 35 there is still time to sign up and do the right thing for your country.

 

[12Footer]

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And when my predicted "announcement" is finally made that we are withdrawing large numbers of troops, those of you invested in our defeat will call it the beginning of the end, and offer it as "proof we are losing", or "cutting our losses, as we did in nam." or some such negative spin. You defeatists have to. Just as in Vietnam and the initial attacks in New York City, you had to find reasons "why they hate America", or blame it on ancient Christianity (the "crusades"). <br /><br />Look, I'm not trying to convince those made-up minds of yours.I'm just expressing my own fervent opinion. So don't pee on me and try to convince me it is raining, and I wont further laugh at you in print.

 

[JB]

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TXS, I trained with Marines and in turn trained Marines. My son is a Marine. Overcoming fear and trauma are basic skills and fundamental responsibilities of leadership. If we disagree it is not because I am ignorant of what a well trained and well led Marine is. I reiterate, well trained and well led Marines would not do what those young men are accused of doing. One guy can crack and go berserk. Fifteen don't do it all at once unless the influence of sound leadership has broken down.<br /><br />The war we won was the war to oust Saddam and allow the Iraqis to govern themselves. That was a mission accomplished. <br /><br />The subsequent war that we are fighting now is a a war to protect the established democratic system. We are winning that war, too.