Iraq

[samagee]

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I will put my two cents in on this before I return to work. I personally feel that if we want to get tuff on the issue of anti terrorism, then we have to think outside the box. <br /><br />For instance, we could make the week of Sept 11th a national terrorist hunting week. All citizens in good standing with the law, and have passed fire arm saftey courses, would be allowed to carry firearms. Any, and I mean ANY, suspicous activity would call on the citizen/s to open fire first and ask questions later.<br /><br />Yes, it sounds cruel. However, these people want us dead. IF you don't think they want you dead, look at their track record. How many times have they called for talks, as aposed to how many times they have just walked in and blown something up?<br /><br />For all those who cry for gun control, I'll leave you to sleep with the wolves. What are you going to do, whine to them until they leave?

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Work?<br /><br />You mean we actually have someone here (samagee) who is working?!LoL<br /><br />Kenny

 

[mellowyellow]

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<br /><br />take a look at their faces... young and dumb.<br />reminds me of gang bangers from cali.<br />no family, nothing to lose.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Congrats PW for once you responded somewhat directly. <br /><br />Nobody called you a socialist. Try reading more and skimming less. <br /><br />I've seen you plaster more lables on people than anyone else I can think of. Just say the word and I'll post some examples for you. There are plenty of facts in my replies to you and you simply ignore them. You never attemp to refute them. You simply add more assertions to your next posts. Fresh ones.<br /><br />

SEC, and social security, among numerous other things.<br /><br />And LBJ, and equal rights...

You should have taken more history classes in college. I know chemistry is a very tough major, but you could have found the time. the GOP passed the civil rights act PW - not LBJ. Check your american history book. <br /><br />Yup the SEC abd SS have really made this country great! Hello? Hello? <br /><br />Oh yes TR was a bad president. So was Ike (winner of WWII in Europe) and Reagan (who defeated the USSR and turned this country around).<br /><br />Nixon would have gone done as a great president for Datante and China alone if he weren't such a paraniod idiot politically. But then again you have Carter, one of the worst presidents in US History and Clinton, the only president to be impeeched and a total disgrace of a human being.<br /><br />Send me you mailing address I want to send you some American History books.

 

[JGREGORY]

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edit Ralph,<br /><br />Clinton and Johnson (Lincoln's VP) impeached.

 

[Ralph 123]

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MY, that is a very insightful observation.

 

[mellowyellow]

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so Ralph, if you were a Hamas leader, how hard<br />would it be to recruite these poor souls?<br />most can't even read... then tell them a verse<br />from the Koran with your "own" weird translation.<br />u will go 2 heaven and be met by ? virgins?<br />the poor kids buy it!<br />terror is the only political weapon they have!<br />sad, but true...

 

[Ralph 123]

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MY,<br /><br />You're dead right. To top it off, their families are given money by people like Saddam and are treated as heros by their communities. Pictures of these people are hung from street signs and buildings. All this combines to make recruitung a slam dunk.<br /><br />That's why we have to go after the pupeteers behind the curtins like Saddam and the Saudi Royal family.

 

[plywoody]

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Hmm... History. well, let's see, the civil rights act of 1964 --when was it passed? It is a trick question, kind of like who is buried in Grant's tomb...I believe it was LBJ that was president in 1964.<br /><br />As far as the SEC and SS go, the repubs continually say they are going to do nothing to damage the ability of SS to pay. If it is a no good program, campaign on a platform to eliminate it--not to safeguard it. Oh, I forgot, it is I that am two faced. As far as the SEC goes, the cornerstone of a free market economy is fair and honest reporting of financial performance of publically traded companies, and corporate adherence to some basic rules. That the GOP does not want to fund it to allow it the finances to do its job properly is a different issue, and we have seen the results of that recently.<br /><br />And Reagan--well he did preside over the biggest increase in the national debt ever, until now, of course, and he did supply Iraq with weapons of mass destruction to use against the Iranians. That was notable, I guess, but defeat the Russians? I think not.<br /><br />The Russians collapsed on their own economy-it was inevitable-perhaps he hastened the collapse with a spending spree they could not possibly keep pace with, but that outcome was inevitable.<br /><br />And TR? Ok, I like TR a fair bit. A century old or so, but I will accept that. And Ike? He was a pretty good general, but not so good a golfer, and an especially not so good a liar. As when he adamantly denied that we had any spy planes over Russia, and Gary Powers didn't exist.<br /><br />And Nixon? Get real. I am still waiting for him to unveil his secret plan to end the Vietnam war.<br /><br />If that's is what the history books you have said, my guess is they were ghost written by 2the Iraqi information minister

 

[plywoody]

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Hmm... History. well, let's see, the civil rights act of 1964 --when was it passed? It is a trick question, kind of like who is buried in Grant's tomb...I believe it was LBJ that was president in 1964.<br /><br />As far as the SEC and SS go, the repubs continually say they are going to do nothing to damage the ability of SS to pay. If it is a no good program, campaign on a platform to eliminate it--not to safeguard it. Oh, I forgot, it is I that am two faced. As far as the SEC goes, the cornerstone of a free market economy is fair and honest reporting of financial performance of publically traded companies, and corporate adherence to some basic rules. That the GOP does not want to fund it to allow it the finances to do its job properly is a different issue, and we have seen the results of that recently.<br /><br />And Reagan--well he did preside over the biggest increase in the national debt ever, until now, of course, and he did supply Iraq with weapons of mass destruction to use against the Iranians. That was notable, I guess, but defeat the Russians? I think not.<br /><br />The Russians collapsed on their own economy-it was inevitable-perhaps he hastened the collapse with a spending spree they could not possibly keep pace with, but that outcome was inevitable.<br /><br />And TR? Ok, I like TR a fair bit. A century old or so, but I will accept that. And Ike? He was a pretty good general, but not so good a golfer, and an especially not so good a liar. As when he adamantly denied that we had any spy planes over Russia, and Gary Powers didn't exist.<br /><br />And Nixon? Get real. I am still waiting for him to unveil his secret plan to end the Vietnam war.<br /><br />If that's is what the history books you have said, my guess is they were ghost written by someone slightly less credible that the Iraqi information minister.

 

[SCO]

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I don't know the answer to this other than by personal ovservation, but I'll go on a limb and speculate that the percentage of people that need a handout has increased dramatically since Johnson. Our experiment with the great society has been a disaster.

 

[DJ]

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Plywoody,<br /><br />You are not telling the whole truth. Yes, national debt went up under Reagan. Guess why? The Democrtac controlled congress couldn't control their spending. Actually, tax income tripled under Reagan.<br /><br />Look at it this way, if you get a 300% raise, yet someone in your family spends 600% more, GUESS WHAT-DEFICIT!<br /><br />The great society is/was the great disaster. We now have multi generational families on welfare. What a deal. A raw deal.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Hmm... History. well, let's see, the civil rights act of 1964 --when was it passed? It is a trick question, kind of like who is buried in Grant's tomb...I believe it was LBJ that was president in 1964.<br />

The act was oppossed by the Democrats. It was the Republican's who passed it. You can give LBJ some credit fo it along with discredit for Vietnam and the great society program. All in all, LBJ was one of the worst presidents in history. His own party would not let him run for his second term.<br /><br />

but defeat the Russians? I think not.<br />

Who did it PW, Clinton? The Debt was incurred in large part through rearming and bankrupting the USSR. Reagan made the prosperity of the 90s possible.<br /><br />

but that outcome was inevitable

Uh huh, right, sure it was... That must be why even the CIA was surprised! They should have called you becuase you knew all along!<br /><br />

And Nixon? Get real. I am still waiting for him to unveil his secret plan to end the Vietnam war.

Like it or not he did end the war you precious LBJ started. Nixon opend China. Nixon started Datante. He won his second term in a landslide! Unfortunately, he had some paranoia thing goin on that lead him to make some very bad political decisions.<br /><br />I only hope you know more about chemistry and making plywood than you do about history. I'd hate to think all those building being built in Iraq with you plywood will be collapsing in short order....

 

[plywoody]

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Well, if you want to revise history to suit your beliefs, so be it. I won't argue with you any longer.<br /><br />If Reagan didn't like the spending bills, he could have vetoed them. Most of the increase in debt was thru military spending, however. And inerest payments servicing the debt. And I recall the Reagan social cutbacks well. Even Reagan realized he had to raise taxes and did at the end of his term.<br /><br />And it is true that LBJ's tragic downfall was the Vietnam war. No question about it. It was the southern democrats only that opposed the civil rights act. then they all turned en masse into loyal republicans after, however.<br /><br />And even Nixon presided over passing the initial clean air act, so there is definitely some credit due there.<br /><br />Now we have the "Clear skies" initiative, which says that dirty coal fired plants can modernize and increase output without getting up to date pollution control equipment. What a laugh. I wonder where are these clear skies this initiative refers to? Brazil, perhaps???<br /><br />Oh, well.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Yes plywoody, when I think of liberals I think of socialists. <br /><br />When I hear the words "Democrat", "new deal", "great society", "It takes a Villiage", "Social Security", "Wellfare", "FoodStamps","HealthCare for All", "Drivers Licences for Illegal Aliens", "New World Order", "United Nations", "Income Tax","England", "France", "Germany", "Canada", I think of socialism. <br /><br />It's necessary for the two of us to be more clear.<br />While I think the Republicans are more conservative then the Democrats. I still feel the Republicans are still to liberal in my opinion.<br />Both parties stink, both are pond scum, and both are traitors to the Constitution.<br /><br />And yes, I'll take a minority view by saying I'm proud to believe that Social Security was and is a program this government has no business being involved in. I believe in and support private retirement and I'm getting robbed any other way.<br /><br />I've gone by your past posts, where you've quoted the most liberal of all the politicians. You hold Clinton in very high regard, by your own words.<br />If I were to play a recording of the most liberal politician, Daschle for example, his rhetoric and your own rhetoric sounds identical.<br />Holding the most socialist President, FDR, this country has ever had in as high regard. With credits such as "great progress", naturally would lead me to a logical opinion that you are a socialist. <br />Lets not get to involved with micro points but instead the overall drift of my points.<br /><br />Personally, I'd care less if you or my neighbor were Socialists, Marxist, or Communists. I'd just make darn sure I'd vote just to cancel yours.<br />If you were a nice enough nieghbor I'd offer to look over your place while your gone, offer some smoked Salmon and veggies from the garden. <br /><br />However, once you started talking like I've heard you before go on about how great Clinton is. I'd naturally start watchin' my back, my daughters, and all my interests. And your word would always be suspect.<br /><br />Yes plywoody, when I think of liberals I think of socialists. Am I wrong? Seriously and sicerely, will you favor me by showing me I'm wrong.<br /><br /> I'd like to learn where you differ or have issue with conservative, not republican views as well.