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[mellowyellow]

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I am only trying to draw a comparison guageguy to<br />go along with my "what's next" comment... <br />even one death caused by drunk driving is a horrible<br />waste of life and a tradgedy! but, do we really <br />need the gov't to save us from ourselves?<br />god, i sure hope not!

 

[ChrisMcLaughlin]

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Does anybody know a good long dirt road I could go and live at the end of? I am getting tired of irresponsible individuals screwing up my freedoms and life.

 

[18rabbit]

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By 1955 enough courts had recognized that the ‘ability to drive on public roadways and the transport of personal property thereon without a need for a diver’s license or registration of vehicle was “paramount to preserving the right to the pursuit of happiness.”’ The legislature can only regulate the use of hi-ways by persons and vehicles to transport persons or cargo for hire.<br /><br />If you are thinking there will be ‘security’ in the illegal requiring of the lock-out devices; consider again what has been repeated for the last couple-hundred years; any attempt to gain security by yielding liberty, results in neither security nor liberty.<br /><br />The courts will not consider any previous rulings unless they are published. What cases/rulings get published?…Who decides? The courts. In other words, if ‘they’ don’t like the way something was decided, ‘they’ choose to ignore it without having to consider any merits to the original decision.<br /><br />

If this is true, it cant be legal, can it?

Here it is again:<br /><br />There is only equality and/or justice where a super-legislator says there is. No exception.<br /><br />Super-legislator: any un-elected, and thus un-accountable authority; i.e., appointed jurists.

 

[Carphunter]

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The solution is pretty simple really. If you get caught drinking and driving, and your over the legal limit, then your license should be revoked FOREVER.<br />How many people are gonna take that chance if the penalties were a little stiffer. <br /><br />It makes me absolutely sick to think of all the people who drink and drive. I've even heard people brag about how much they drank, and were still able to operate a vehicle. <br /><br />The "Slap on the Wrist" laws are a freakin joke.<br /><br />I'm not sayin the solution at the beginning of this thread is a good one, but something needs to be done.<br /><br />Drunk drivers beware, if you hit me, bullets will be flyin!

 

[roscoe]

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A restriction such as this, to get a license re-instated, for convicted drunk drivers, seems logical. <br /><br />A burden like this for all car owners is ludicrous and would be ineffective.<br />And would only make criminals out of all that could not afford it.<br /><br />Heck, none of my 3 vehicles are even worth $1000.<br /><br />The device won't work on drug users.<br />So what do you think some kid will consume at a party if he knows his car won't start if he has a beer?<br /><br />Sounds to me like another tool in the GRAND social engineering plan of the liberal polititians.<br />Raise living expenses on the people.<br />Make then dependent on the government for transportation.<br />Push for mass transit.<br />Congregate people in cities where they will get the mass transit.<br />Save the rural areas for the rich and "environmentally concious".<br />Reduce, then eliminate the auto, which means freedom, choice, employment, and independence for the masses.<br /><br />"We must do this to save the children" has been the excuse for eliminating many freedoms.<br />It is really about controlling your life, which means that someone somewhere gains huge amounts of power, and/or financial rewards.

 

[LubeDude]

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They would just find someone to disconnect it for $20.00! Just another liberal idiotic Idea!<br /><br />Hey, OK, Im on an anti Liberal kick today! Why not, what good are they? I really think they have all had lobotomies! Or it must be a mental disease! No common sense at all!<br /><br />Lets make all cars so they will not go over 55MPH!<br /><br />I dont think you need a Boat that goes 80MPH either!<br /><br />Jet skis, How about 25MPH!<br /><br />No more sharp objects, you might hurt someone or yourself!<br /><br />On, and On, and on, and On, and On!!!!!

 

[jtexas]

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Three times is too many to let somebody get caught DUI before revoking his/her license, but how many is "just right?" Once? Calculate the odds of killing or seriously injuring someone before getting caught your first time. How much "liberty" will this really cost you?<br /><br />I don't buy the "slippery slope" theory. But I am concerned about "false positives." And what about valet drivers? Putting their mouths on everybody's car? What about malfunctions? Calibration? I guess this will become an item on the state inspection.<br /><br />One thing for sure, these devices will create a market for my new invention, "Breath-0-Matic breath simulators," a handy pocket device that will provide the sample you need to start your car.

 

[roscoe]

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LubeDude, wake up!!<br />What cars?<br />What jetskis?<br />You can't have those.<br /><br />How about chastity belts to prevent teen pregnancy.<br />And forced abortions just incase they think your baby will be ugly. It will be their choice, for the "good of society."

 

[Fly Rod]

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Glad none of us live in a glass house !!!! <br />It is sad and detrimental when one loses a life to drunk driving;gun related issue; etc: I wouldn't want to go through it. Wouldn't know how to handle it since it never happened to anyone in my family. I let my cleaning lady read the post this morning. She lost her 18 year old son to a drunk driver a few years back. He had just finished talking to his family from a phone booth and was walking back to his dorm when he was struck and killed. She said it was hard to believe that her son was dead within ten minutes after talking to him.<br /><br />Back to the glass house!!!<br />After reading the last 28 post, you would think that nobody drinks I know better then that after reading past post and kiddingly talking about having a beer; mix drink or wine.<br />Guess what people when you have that one drink "YOU ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE". And those of us that do shouldn't be throwing rocks.<br />I'm just as guilty,<br /> I go out and pop a couple of beers and drive home just like a few of ya do. We may not be drunk BUT WE are under the influence regardless if we don't blow a .08 And there is that possibility of hitting someone.<br />I don't know why, but I never have an alcoholic drink in my boat.And I really don't know why. Maybe it is because I know that there are allot more intoxicated people on the water.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Ok so maybe its a bad idea to force people to get one of these things in their cars but......As far Im concerned if you are caught drunk driving you should lose your lisence permenetly, as stated in a prevous post. Im with Carphunter, hurt or kill someone in my family because your drunk driving you better hope you died too.

 

[roscoe]

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6 hours, bottle to throttle.<br /><br />Lived by that rule for over 22 years.<br />Sure I go to bars, used to do it all the time, but don't drink if I have to drive.<br /><br />Learned this lesson a long long time ago.<br />I used to go spend 4 hours in the bar befor work, but only had soda. The truth.<br /><br />Don't drink when I go out to dinner, ruins the food flavor.<br /><br />So between driving motorcycles, working 3rd shift, driving semi( one drink puts me over the legal limit with a CDL), and watching lots of foolish drunks, and having a few brains, I decided not to drink and drive. Not in the canoe either, cause I get sick. <br /><br />So what was with the glass house speach anyway? Is it supposed to make us say, "ok put one of these things on my car".?<br /><br />Thats like saying:<br /><br />"It would be a lot easier to catch the drug dealers if they couldn't run away, so lets put leg irons on everyone."<br /><br />Thats like when they banned feeding deer in WI. It made criminals out of people that had birdfeeders that the deer could reach.

 

[Fly Rod]

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"The glass house speech"<br />Roscoe,When you read most of the post I for one would have thought that nobody drank. I'd be willing to bet that maybe only three or four people on the last 30 post don't drink a couple and then drive. We don't live in a perfect world. SO! "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't be throwing rocks." <br />As in my first post we do not need government intruding more into our lives.<br />If the trend to have all cars in New Mexico with the system catches on then rest assured that the rest of the country may fallow.<br />If a person gets caught drunk driving then it may be a good idea for that person to have it installed.

 

[Fly Rod]

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"The glass house speech"<br />Roscoe,When you read most of the post I for one would have thought that nobody drank. I'd be willing to bet that maybe only three or four people on the last 30 post don't drink a couple and then drive. We don't live in a perfect world. SO! "He who lives in a glass house shouldn't be throwing rocks." <br />As in my first post we do not need government intruding more into our lives.<br />If the trend to have all cars in New Mexico with the system catches on then rest assured that the rest of the country may fallow.<br />If a person gets caught drunk driving then it may be a good idea for that person to have it installed.<br />We don't need any more laws cause we have a hard time inforcing the ones we have now. Repeat offenders keep getting off as long as they have the money to pay. Here in Mass. it cost about $6000 to beat a DUI.<br />Just 5 weeks ago a drunk driver was going the wrong way on a divided high way. Unfortuneatly he also killed two people going the right way.

 

[Carphunter]

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Fly Rod, I have never, and will never drive drunk. Maybe you think its ok to "have a few", and still drive, but I don't. Sure, I drink on occasion, but I never drive while under the influence......ever. So I guess i'm not part of that group you're referring to.<br /><br />Roscoe, I understand what your saying completely, but, dont you think drinking and driving is a problem? I agree, putting some sort of breathing device on everybodys vehicles is just stupid. As I said before, the laws ought to be harsher for these drunk drivers, who in my mind, are criminals that are breaking the law. Do you agree? Thats the real problem.<br /><br />I'm not worried about a law that protects me from myself, but I think it is absolutely necessary to have laws that protect me and my family from the negligence of others. <br /><br />Bottom line is, the laws are way to relaxed when dealing with these drunk drivers, and until the penalties for breaking these laws become a little more serious, then the problem won't improve.<br /><br />And the problem is that people like Fly Rod think its alright to go out and "Pop a few" and drive. Thats the way a lot of people think. Its really a shame that its probably going to take a serious accident for some of these people to realize that there is a reason you shouldn't drive drunk.

 

[oddjob]

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or maybe a chip installed in your brain and every<br />time you have a dirty thought you get zapped?<br />

Easy now ...lets not get carried away here...

 

[ChrisMcLaughlin]

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Carpy,<br />I agree but unfortunately you would be put in prison and the drinker would probably walk.(provided you didn't kill him!) Liberals have turned alcoholism into a handicap and are protected under the ADA of 1992. (Just guess which president signed that one!!) It is not right out there and some times ti seems that there is no justice but it is and with luck and hard work, will always be the best country thatis on the face of the earth. (And the rockets red glare........)<br />Drunk drivers beware, if you hit me, bullets will be flyin![/QB][/quote]

 

[ChrisMcLaughlin]

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gotta figure out that quote thing.......

 

[tylerin]

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need the gov't to save us from ourselves?<br />god, i sure hope not!

Actually it would be to protect the non drink and drivers from the drunks on the road. The more I see these posts this system won't work because there's to many ways to beat it, but as soon as they come out with a way to keep the friggin drunks off the road I'll be first in line to say yeah. Driving is a privilege, with a license in your pocket, a plate on the rear of the car, a belt strapped around you, a special seat for your young-ins, lights to start and stop at, speed limits to contend with. Some of us have OnStar systems where the gov can stop your car in its tracks from the push of a button. Lets see if they take away my right to get friggin hammered and bounce off a few kids on the way home they might take my gun away from me BS If you don't drink and drive this shouldn't bother you

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Originally posted by trblshtr:<br />gotta figure out that quote thing.......

See the little quotation marks up ^ there.<br />Just click them trblshtr

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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I don't drink period. Never have. Never had the urge. I don't have anything for anyone that will get out and drink and drive.<br />Sorry, just my opinion.<br /><br />Me and my family travel the roads and it's hard enough to just get from one place to another safely without having to deal with drunk drivers also.<br /><br />Should not be no 3 strikes your out deal.<br />1 strike and it's over for you.<br />The drunk driver does not give their victims 3 strikes.<br /><br />So yea, if they come out with something like this, it would be a good thing if it saved lives.<br />Way to many children are killed by drunk drivers.<br />That's the sad part cause they have no choice in the matter.