jetski thief shot dead.

JB

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Guess I have a heart of stone, then.
 

Art Bernard

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

I have no problem with this and I don't feel sorry for a criminal who gets killed commiting a crime. Long live the castle doctrine!!!!

Art
 

MTboatguy

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

I will never laugh over the death of a human, but nor will I feel sorry that his acts, cost him his life...
 

ezmobee

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I weep mostly for the writing skills of this article's author and then some more for the station's web developer's programming skills :eek:. I was thinking shooting someone for stealing a PWC was a little harsh but it seems from the horribly written article that the thief may have entered the owner's home? In that case, fire when ready.
 

wifisher

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It sounds like the shooter killed an unarmed man. If the thief was stealing the jetski, call the police, and go confront him about it. There is no reason to shoot him unless he pulls out a gun. I doubt that the thief had any kind of a weapon, as he was just riding a PWC.

Still don't feel sorry for him.

Didn't laugh either.
 

emoney

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That's one of the things I like about living in Florida. You are legally justified to use deadly force if a potential thief enters your property, OR if you feel your life is threatened during a confrontation (regardless of the location). Most people don't realize this but the dock and/or lift is the same thing as the residence itself. As to the "girlfriend"; she absolutely needs to be charged as she knew exactly what they were doing there in the first place. Amazes me how people defend her with the "she didn't know". Didn't know what; that they would be caught? Sorry, I just recently had an outboard stolen off my boat at my dock and these stories fire me up every time I read about one. In our area, nothing is safe and it's mainly due to a rising drug addicted population, the majority of which are prescription drugs.
 

sasto

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The Castle Doctrine is the law here in Florida. I would have a hard time shooting somebody in the head with a shotgun, but then again, I don't live in Miami and I don't know the whole story yet..
 

Limited-Time

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Even with the Castle Doctrine you may only use deadly force if you feel your or someone else's life is being threatened. You cannot use deadly force on trespassers to protect your personal property.
 

robert graham

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That bullet saved the working, honest taxpayers the cost of extended police investigations, court appointed attorneys, court costs, jail time, prison time/costs, etc. Seems like a win/win for the good guys! Screw the crooks and scumballs! Sorry for my lack of sympathy!
 

sasto

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

A little update, although not much of one.


Miami-Dade police are investigating whether a juvenile armed with a shotgun was justified in killing an intruder who tried to steal his family?s wave runner.
During the confrontation, the unidentified juvenile shot Reynaldo Mu?oz, 20, in the head, and he died at the scene, police said. Mu?oz?s girlfriend has been charged with felony murder for her participation in a crime that caused the death of another.
The attempted burglary happened about 2:30 p.m. Saturday when Mu?oz and Carolina Lopez, 19, drove to Pelican Marine Harbor Marina in Miami Shores. He parked his truck, and Mu?oz put his own Wave runner in the water, navigating it to a waterfront home at 9275 N. Bayshore Avenue.
Police said he then jumped into the water and started walking along a concrete seawall onto the property. As he removed the family?s Wave runner, he was ?confronted by the homeowner who armed himself with a shotgun in an attempt to protect his family,?? the police affidavit said.
Investigators said the home is owned by attorney Jeffrey Davis, who was not home at the time of the attempted burglary. His son, an unidentified juvenile, and his wife, Yasmin, were home, police said. They told detectives that Mu?oz indicated he was armed and that he planned to harm them. Neither Davis, nor Mu?oz?s family would comment.
Lopez, of Hialeah, confessed to police that that she planned to wait for Mu?oz, also of Hialeah, to return with the stolen watercraft and they were going to place it on a trailer, and haul it away in hopes of selling it for $2,000.
No further charges were announced Monday, as the probe continued.
Police -- well aware that the incident is controversial -- indicated that the prosecutor?s office would likely make the decision on whether the killing was justified, either in self-defense, or under the Castle doctrine, a Florida statute that means that any criminal who forcibly enters or intrudes into your home or occupied vehicle is presumably there to cause death or bodily harm. Therefore, a person can use any manner of force, including deadly force, against that person without being prosecuted or sued.
Florida?s self defense statute also allows persons to use deadly force to defend their home from an assailant who is committing or trying to commit a ?forcible felony.? A forcible felony generally includes the more serious crimes of burglary, aggravated assault, aggravated battery and murder. Also, under the statute, the property owner does not need to retreat or warn the intruder of their intent to shoot. There is a presumption that the person trespassing is doing so with the attempt to commit a violent act.


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/23/2231083/wave-runner-thief-shot-in-head.html#ixzz1NHfFt0gy
 

badkins50

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Parent must be proud!

Around here (where I live anyway) the parents would be this first ones on the news talking about "my sons was such a great kid and he would never do anything like this and I don't understand what and why and who". Its sad but its the same ole story over and over. I commend the people that do stand up for what they have earned.
 

Limited-Time

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

No, that depends on which state you live in.

Not according to the learning material in the CCWP course I just completed it is. The sample sited was if someone was steeling or vandalizing your car in/form your driveway you do not have the right to shoot them. You may confront them (with weapon drawn) but unless they threaten you, you cannot use deadly force. Nor can you contain them if the choose to flee. And shame on you if you shoot them while attempting to flee. In the back for instance.
 

jasoutside

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

This man was stealing a toy and a teenage boy shot him dead.

Do I feel bad for the dead guy? Ah, not a whole lot.

I am a little concerned that this young man will have to live with what he has done for the rest of his days.




Putting myself in that situation...

If that guy was coming to threaten my family in any way, may God have mercy on his soul.

If that guy was coming to take a little boat I float few times a year for fun, and I killed him, may God have mercy on mine.
 

ezmobee

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Re: jetski thief shot dead.

I'm really on the fence on this one. On one hand, it doesn't seem right to shoot someone over unarmed theft. On the other hand, it would seem kinda crappy that if you confronted someone stealing something from your property, that there isn't anything you can do to stop it. "Stop or I'll have to ask you to stop again"

Now if that same person is in your house, well that's a whole other story. I agree with any legislation that assumes an intruder in your house can be considered a threat to your safety and therefore fair game.
 
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