jetski thief shot dead.

[oldskool7_11]

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The dead piece of crap was not armed this time. I am glad he does not have the opportunity to be armed next time.

 

[oldskool7_11]

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Amazing how many people would prefer to let a thief go and allow him to become a murderer threatening mommy.

 

[MTboatguy]

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Even with the Castle Doctrine you may only use deadly force if you feel your or someone else's life is being threatened. You cannot use deadly force on trespassers to protect your personal property.

I don't know about FL, but I do know, here in Montana, I can use deadly for in the defense of my life, my family or pets life and my Property, we passed a law a few years ago, that personal property can be defended with lethal force. We also have a law still on the books that allows horse thieves to be hung..

 

[MTboatguy]

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Not according to the learning material in the CCWP course I just completed it is. The sample sited was if someone was steeling or vandalizing your car in/form your driveway you do not have the right to shoot them. You may confront them (with weapon drawn) but unless they threaten you, you cannot use deadly force. Nor can you contain them if the choose to flee. And shame on you if you shoot them while attempting to flee. In the back for instance.

I am a CCW instructor as is my wife, in the states that I have taught and she has taught, you are legal to use deadly force in defense of life, limb or property, my wife has had to use her gun twice in the last 20 years and both times it was justified..based on the findings of a grand jury as well as inquests..

In addition, there have been cases recently, that a citizen defended his property or a neighbors property with deadly force in which the perpetrator was shot in the back and the grand jury as well as prosecutors have refused to charge

 

[jonesg]

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In addition, there have been cases recently, that a citizen defended his property or a neighbors property with deadly force in which the perpetrator was shot in the back and the grand jury as well as prosecutors have refused to charge

It started with Bernard Getz, they couldn't seat a grand jury that would indict him and they tried more than once.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks.
The thief messed with the wrong people and bought the farm.

Typical idiot TV reporters, don't even have the basic facts, they don't know who had the gun.
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/22004370971389/

 

[Art Bernard]

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What they are is thieving, scuzzwad, parasites who live off of the hard work and toil of honest people. They are the people who care nothing for others or what the effect of their crime has on others. In america we do have a higher value of life than most of the rest of the world, some people are blinded by it, but as I said before, Violent criminals, sexual predators, and thieves are people I will never feel sorry for or pity and the less of them breathing the beter.


Art

 

[MTboatguy]

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I am going to add this, many say they will have no problem killing another human being, I myself have no desire to kill another human being as long as I live, I have killed enough in my career in the military. Would I? yes, without hesitation in the least, in the right situation, but I can tell you for a fact, it is not easy to do, and you will live with it for the rest of your life..

 

[MTboatguy]

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I still think about the man in 1991 who shot me, he was my enemy, he was trying to kill me, he shot me and I was able to kill him before he moved in for the kill shot on me. I have my life, I have my medals, I still have my family, he has a dirt grave, his family does not have him. Yes, he was my enemy, I am glad I won, but his face still haunts me, and will for the rest of my life.

I can say with 100% conviction and experience....................

Pulling the trigger is the easy part, and my wife who has also will tell you the same thing after her two justified shootings.

As I said, I will never laugh at the death of another human being, but I will never condone or feel remorse for his actions that caused his death..

 

[Art Bernard]

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Ok, first why I feel strongly about this. Like others here, I have taken life in combat, also 6 years ago I had to kill a guy who broke into my house and was terrorizing my daughter when I shot him. Do I ever regret the killing, you bet. Not a day goes by that I don't have trouble over it (ptsd). It's not easy taking a life and I'm really not a murderous bastard, but I've seen the elephant in war, and dealt with the reprecussions of killing my daughters attacker. As far as war goes, well, it's war, but that bastard I killed might have raped and killed my daughter if I hadn't killed him. I do have a teenage son that I worry about every day. My son has been raised "right" with a respect for the law and a good heart. Will he do something dumb, sure he will, but I highly doubt it would be something criminal and if my son ever did do something criminal I would not be one of those parents screaming about how great a guy he is and that he could do no wrong. Everyone has the capacity to do wrong and if they choose to knowing the posible concequences, well, it was their decision and their choice to make and their consequences to suffer. This guy did what he did knowingly and with premeditation, he knew stealing was a risky proposition, and living in florida, I'm sure he knew about the castle doctrine. As I said before, one less I have to worry about, rapping my daughter.

Art

 

[jonesg]

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you will live with it for the rest of your life..

It beats dying and having a killer serve 6 yrs and out...pumped up from lifting weights in the gym.
Dead criminals have zero recidevism.

 

[oldskool7_11]

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were are not talking about kids taking apples. i would say it is safe to assume it was not his first or his intended last major theft. Law abiding citizens don't wake up in the morning and decided to steal a jet ski. you can keep kidding yourself into thinking this MAN was a good guy making bad decisions. I call it as i see it. HE WAS A CRIMINAL.

 

[jonesg]

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were are not talking about kids taking apples. i would say it is safe to assume it was not his first or his intended last major theft. Law abiding citizens don't wake up in the morning and decided to steal a jet ski. you can keep kidding yourself into thinking this MAN was a good guy making bad decisions. I call it as i see it. HE WAS A CRIMINAL.

You are correct, the family were robbed at gunpoint at the same house previously, they had to turn the house into a fortress to feel safe, I'd say they're fed up and ain't gonna take this crap any more.
http://www.biscaynetimes.com/index....everything&catid=50:community-news&Itemid=166

"This past September 26, a Saturday, the couple met friends for dinner in Fort Lauderdale. Around 12:30 a.m. they arrived home in their rented minivan (one of their cars was being repaired), and Yasmin stepped out to open the garage door.

Seconds later, two young black men stormed up the driveway, shouting at her. With the car windows up, Davis says he didn?t notice the commotion at first, and when he did, he admits wondering if they needed help. But in a split second everything became clear. The two intruders had guns. They cocked their pistols sideways and one man started yelling: ?Gimme the bag, ho! F---ing *****! Gimme the bag!?

Fearing their house keys were in her purse, Yasmin hesitated and froze. Davis began making as much noise as possible -- yelling and blaring his horn to distract them and alert neighbors.

The irony is that, while you would never guess it from looking at him, Jeff Davis is a gun-owner with a conceal-and-carry permit. He?s strictly a range shooter, not a hunter, and owns his weapon for home protection. At that very moment he could have been legally armed and in a position to apply lethal force, but he was not carrying his gun."

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Reading some of these posts, man, it's disturbing. I can't believe how quick people "say" they're willing to kill someone that steals. Where do people draw the line? Is it a dollar amount of the item? Size of the item? Is there a line?

In disasters, natural or not, when possessions are destroyed you always hear how they can be replaced but people can't. Alot of what I'm hearing is screw/kill the people and save the stuff. Wow....

Jr escalated the situation when he came out of the house toting a shotgun. No one was being threatened until that happened.

The day I value my possessions so much that I'm willing to kill someone is the day I need to sell all my possessions.

 

[sandersps]

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After reviewing my post, I can see how it might seem like I would just walk outside and blow someone away. I would however start flinging lead if the thief did not comply and lay face down with his hands behind his head and wait for the police. This assuming that a call reporting a criminal at gunpoint made them hurry a little or even show at all. If he has no weapon then hes gonna get a chance to keep his life and face the consequences of his actions. If he does have a weapon he had better be quicker than me. I agree with some others on here that I would not want to take someones life, but they are going to face the music if I catch them in the act, assuming they arent a faster draw than me. The way my oppinion works is that if you bring a weapon or the threat of having one to my property then I have to assume that you intend to use it and I intend to not let that happen.

This story has sure brought out a lot of diffrent opinions on the subject, but the only person who knows exactly how it went down is the kid that pulled the trigger. Im sure it must have felt like a couple of hours went by while he was confronting the thief. In those few minutes or less he and the thief had a lot of decissions to make. Couple this with a lot of adrenaline and suddenly there is something you have to live with for the rest of your life. I would have a hard time living with killing someone, even a thief. The day that the court system, judges and juries are ok with consistently putting people away for protecting themselves, families and yes even property, then that surely will be the first day of the end of a civilized world.

 

[MTboatguy]

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I am not defending this guy in the least, after living through the experience of killing another, I just know there is a lot of talk out there by people who really have no idea of what they are talking about. Based on the small bit of information contained in a couple of links, I would have done the same thing and then deal with the consequences after words, if for one second there was a perceived threat against me, my family or my property, I would take the shot. It is easy to say, you would do the same thing, but I can tell you for a fact, it is not as easy as you might think, and for those who think a 17 year old is to young to have the training and skill, I can tell you many don't, but I did! he was a criminal, he was perceived to be a threat and he paid a very heavy price. But in no way, do I defend him.

 

[rbh]

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WOW, this may not be an eye opener for me, but WOW!

Up here we have a population of about 37 million, and we have our issues, but WOW
Just going to leave this alone now.

 

[Art Bernard]

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Something else to think about. How many "good and honest" criminals get caught in the act and turn into violent criminals? Quite a bit judging from the news reports. I'm not taking the chance. If I catch you on my property, you'd better do exactly what I tell you, your life depends on it. Better yet, don't come here at all to do wrong, you'll live longer. I guess allot of the people who have problems with the guy getting killed have never lived in a high crime area or sufferd the consequencies of crime.

Art

 

[Triton II]

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Interesting thread. Personally I have lived in many countries and have seen some horrific things during my service in the military. However, I still feel that any law which allows a person to be jury, judge and executioner is not within the spirit of how a judicial system is meant to operate. Having said that, every country has to deal with the situation it finds itself in and this thread has certainly given me food for thought.

TII

 

[oldskool7_11]

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It is not about killing thieves. It is about stopping a behavior (that statistically escalates into something dangerous) that the system cannot. If most criminals did their time and were rehabilitated then would would have a different situation. When the system allows criminals chance after chance to become dangerous, it is only a matter of time before they do.

 

[ezmobee]

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I would however start flinging lead if the thief did not comply and lay face down with his hands behind his head and wait for the police. This assuming that a call reporting a criminal at gunpoint made them hurry a little or even show at all. If he has no weapon then hes gonna get a chance to keep his life and face the consequences of his actions.

If I catch you on my property, you'd better do exactly what I tell you, your life depends on it. Better yet, don't come here at all to do wrong, you'll live longer.

honest question: are you two saying that if the thieves you confront do not comply and simply drop everything and flee, you would shoot them?