jetski thief shot dead.

[fishrdan]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

They told detectives that Mu?oz indicated he was armed and that he planned to harm them.

Doesn't that seem like something a lawyer would advise his client to say. Strange coincidence,,, the house is owned by a lawyer...

Pelican Marine Harbor Marina

Who the heck thought up that name, sure doesn't roll off the tongue.

 

[scipper77]

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Probably prevented multiple robberies. I have a feeling this wasn't the first time this guy stole a jet ski. It seems like a veteran move to pull something like this in the middle of the day.

I'm not happy that the criminal was killed but let's remember that it was the actions of the criminal that created this whole mess in the first place. It's not like the lawyers son was looking for someone to shoot in the head, that was a response to the terrible situation he was put in.

 

[WIMUSKY]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Putting myself in that situation...

If that guy was coming to threaten my family in any way, may God have mercy on his soul.

If that guy was coming to take a little boat I float few times a year for fun, and I killed him, may God have mercy on mine.

That's how I feel about it too. Sounds like the homeowners son went down to the water with a gun and confronted the perp. He put himself in potential danger. No one should die over a waverunner or any other toy for that matter. No matter how hard a person worked for it. That's why we have police. Dial 911, let them deal with it.

 

[robert graham]

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In our society you can either work and earn the things you want/need, OR you can steal from those who work. I went to work at 17, still working at 67...no sympathy at all for thieves, crooks, scumballs, whatevers...They dig their own holes...let'em lay in it!...

 

[sublauxation]

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The fact that he was unarmed wasn't learned until after the incident. That's like when police shoot sombeody only later to find out they were unarmed. If you're threatened, you're threatened, why should the good guy die or riske their lives by giving the bad guy time to pull his gun first?

The kid said he feared for himself and his family. I'll take him at his word on that, and I hope he sleeps well at night.

 

[ramyourcar]

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i agree sign i had made says( steal from me get shot...) they will pry my guns from my cold dead hands

 

[emoney]

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Yeah, and I don't know about most, but I'm not going to wait around and verify he/she isn't armed. It only takes a millisecond or two to squeeze a trigger so while I'm deciding "hmmm, should I use deadly force here or shouldn't I?", dirtbag decides to make my wife a widow.

 

[jasoutside]

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Dood walks up, starts to swipe the jet ski as I am watching from the window...



Call #1 goes to police - "Hey, how's it going? There is a scum bag swiping my jet ski. I can see him from right from the window. Hey, I have a loaded shot gun here, should I go and confront him? No? OK, I'll just sit tight till you guys get here but if he comes for me, he's toast."

Call #2 goes to insurance company - "Hey how's it going? So a scum bag swiped my jet ski, can I go pick out a new one?"



Shot gun shells should be reserved for whitetail deer and scum bags who are truly threatening the health and well being of my loved ones.


And hey, if more details come around and the scum bag did in fact come for the kid, I am glad he made that shot count.

My hunch is a cell phone should have been the weapon of choice in this instance.

 

[sandersps]

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SHOOT EM, and the Shoot EM some more. If more people would shoot, I cant say there would be less crime, but I do know criminals would think a little harder and longer before they commit a crime. Nothing pisses me off more than property theft. Get a job and get your own stuff, I had to. If you disagree with my feelings then google pharmacy shooting in okc. Sure you can stand down and call the police but where I live it took them 1hr and 55min to get here when a crook was in our house. Another time the alarm went off while we were at the lake. They said they went by and checked out the house and found nothing, Funny my father sat in my driveway waiting for the police for 2 hours and never saw a cop. I am not bashing the police, they have a very large area to cover and I am way outside of town. Out here we fend for our selves. If you see a fire you put it out, if you see a criminal you shoot them. In 6 years I have had two atvs stolen, a gas grill, my house broken into and a trailer broken into. So SHOOT EM.

 

[jasoutside]

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Not so sure who would care for my family after they threw me in the clink for blowing a man away for stealing my grill.

 

[scipper77]

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Not so sure who would care for my family after they threw me in the clink for blowing a man away for stealing my grill.

This goes back to what I said earlier. The shame here is that the 17yo boy was put into that position in the first place. Just reading back this thread I can see that many people would have handled this in different ways. The criminal (if he was unharmed) would at worst have gotten a slap on the wrist assuming he was unarmed. It likely would have been Grand Larceny (based on the value of the wave runner), so maybe a small jail sentence.

There really is no justice here. Theif runs and gets away to steal again another day... not a positive outcome.

Theif is shot and killed and the 17 yo goes to jail... not a positive outcome.

Theif dead and boy is cleared, some might say positive outcome but I bet the theifs family along with the boy and his family don't feel that way.

I hate theifs, they create these situations where nobody wins with there disregard for anyone else.

 

[Limited-Time]

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Another senairo A teenage boy under the age of 18 at home playing his umpteenth hour of Call of Duty Black Ops sees someone steeling his jet ski. Jr grabs a shot gun loads it and heads out the door to stop the thief. Mom has no idea Jr is even out of the house. After all what mother would allow her teenage son to a walk into situation like this. Jr goes on to confront the ski thief. Things go way wrong way to fast, Jr doesn't have the experience or maturity to handle the escalating situation gets twitchy and shoots. Any was you look at it lives have been ruined. Best case Jr gets off, worse case he gets tried as an adult and the prison system ends up with a young lifer.

 

[sublauxation]

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There's no easy answer but you can't let the thief win every time by default. Who wouldn't confront the thief, it's human nature? At that point if there's any added threat of any possible physical altercation I say it's fair game. This guy wasn't stealing food to feed his starving family, we have more than enough programs to take care of those situations.

Every night for a week in a popular and usually safe part of town here a group of individuals was physically assaulting people. Cops increased patrol and everything but it had no effect. Local news wouldn't even give a description of the individuals. Then they tried it on an old guy with a gun. Problem solved.

 

[jonesg]

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It sounds like the shooter killed an unarmed man. If the thief was stealing the jetski, call the police, and go confront him about it. There is no reason to shoot him unless he pulls out a gun. I doubt that the thief had any kind of a weapon, as he was just riding a PWC.

Still don't feel sorry for him.

Didn't laugh either.

He indicated he was armed, jumped down off the jetski and started walking toward the kid, the kid had a shotgun and used it.

Those who live by the sword got shot by those who don't.

 

[Limited-Time]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Iowa just pased Bill 573 with the title "Stand Your Ground". Bottom line, anyone may use deadly force to protect material possesions. You are NOT required to assume intent of harm to yourself or others. You are NOT required to give any sort of warning. You are NOT required to try and extradite yourself from the situation.

No, I do not agree with any of it but it is what it is.

That particular State Bill was not mentioned in the training course though Fla, Texas and several others were.

 

[wifisher]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Another senairo A teenage boy under the age of 18 at home playing his umpteenth hour of Call of Duty Black Ops sees someone steeling his jet ski. Jr grabs a shot gun loads it and heads out the door to stop the thief. Mom has no idea Jr is even out of the house. After all what mother would allow her teenage son to a walk into situation like this. Jr goes on to confront the ski thief. Things go way wrong way to fast, Jr doesn't have the experience or maturity to handle the escalating situation gets twitchy and shoots. Any was you look at it lives have been ruined. Best case Jr gets off, worse case he gets tried as an adult and the prison system ends up with a young lifer.

+1 This sounds most likelt to me. Like you said, why would ANY mother send her kid out after a robber. Especially when it is just a jet ski. Go wait for it to appear at the boat ramp. I don't know ANY 17 year old that should be in a confrontation with a gun. They do not have the training or experience to handle the situation.

 

[jonesg]

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I have to wonder how much thinner the ranks of iBoats members would be if everyone here that did something stupid as a teenager had been killed? I see this as a tragedy for everyone and the families of everyone involved. I have never owned any material possession I thought was worth more than a human life. I might put a full can of whup-butt on someone but take their life? No.

And how many iBoaters would be dead if someone pointed a shotgun at them and they ignored the word stop!
Not many.


I have never owned some "thing" that was worth my life, thieves are valued less than mine and my family.
Yeh the kid might lose some sleep over the event, it beats sleeping in a coffin.

 

[Art Bernard]

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Another thought I had after reading the posts here is that this under age male kid who was home with his mother may have also been thinking about what could happen to his mom. A kid can have a strong instinct to protect. I don't think the kid is going to get charged. First he's a minor, second he's a lawyers son, third, I'm sure between the castle doctrine and self defence he'd been cleared anyhow. I feel the kid was right to blow this scum away. Maybe I'm Being overly harsh, but, as a society we are forced to spend way to much money on housing, feeding, court costs, etc...for pos scum who will more than likely ( if they ever get out) commit more crime and, according to reports) will commit a worse crime. Sure, no one wants to take a life (I've done it) but you have to remember, the criminal put himself and everyone else in that situation, the criminal being dead is the criminal's fault. Perhaps if more and more criminals we're shot, we wouldn't have to provide for them in jail, pay rising insurance rates, pay so much for police, live in fear in our own homes, wouldn't feel compeled to get CCP and carry firearms for protection, worry about our children so much, spend money on home security systems, and we wouldn't have to worry about folow-on generations of criminals because, hey, your daddy was a dumbass criminal and got himself killed so you were never born to be raised to a life of crime/drugs. As far as pity goes, I have none for violent criminals, sexual predators, and thieves. one more dead? Good, that's one less I have to worry about. I guess you guys can figure out I'm in the "A rope is much cheaper than a lethal injection and could and should be used untill it breaks" Catagory. Sorry if my opinions **** anyone off, but this is america and I'm entitled to them.

Art

 

[Bigprairie1]

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Ahhhhh, discipline, the learning of lessons and consequences when rules are broken is a funny thing isn't it?
Now imagine how many (Iboats?) parents would react if their
kids teacher smacked their kid for 'breaking the rules'...mouthing off, flipping the bird, perceived threat of some sort of rule bending, disrespect or otherwise. Would you trust the teacher, a trained adult and professional....or a kid. Its amazing how arguments run out of gas under these similar early life conditions when action/consequences are being learned and hopefully imparted.
....but like Bubba said, we don't have enough info on this deal to make much a call.
My two bits.
BP

 

[jonesg]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Its obvious from the first report there will not be any charges.

The dead kids father will probably try to get some payback in civil court and get nowhere.

I recall they had a devil of a time trying to find a grand jury that would indict Bernard Getz, the vigilante subway shooter.
Theres no way they can get this kid for anything.