Merchant Marines

txswinner

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Heycods, you are correct and this is part of the reason it took so long to get unready to attack Iraq. <br /><br />Planes fly lots of troops pretty quickly but tanks, big guns, rockets, missles, aircraft parts, etc are heavy and more easily transported by the Merchant Marine. We have sold it out to the management of other countries, SOUND FAMILIAR!! This is corporate America.
 

heycods

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Yea I read something on it years ago. It was something to do with taxes I think? Most then were regristrad in panama. Im getting old, cant remember the details. At the time we still had a few ships. May have ben 20 years ago that I read it.
 

JB

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Have you checked out the C5A Galaxy, TXS?<br /><br />What can it not carry?<br /><br />The reason merchant ships are registered under other flags is purely legal considerations, it does not mean those countries own or manage the ships.
 

rolmops

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JB,Those Galaxy cruisers can carry a whole lot,but for tanks,it is one at time if at all.
 

tcube

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C 5 Galaxy facts from www.af.mil:<br />
General Characteristics<br />Primary Function: Outsize cargo transport<br />Prime Contractor: Lockheed-Georgia Co.<br />Power Plant: Four General Electric TF-39 engines <br />Thrust: 43,000 pounds, each engine<br />Wingspan: 222.9 feet (67.89 meters)<br />Length: 247.1 feet (75.3 meters)<br />Height: 65.1 feet (19.84 meters)<br />Cargo Compartment: height , 13.5 feet (4.11 meters); width, 19 feet (5.79 meters); length, 143 feet, 9 in (43.8 meters)<br />Pallet Positions: 36<br />Maximum Cargo: 270,000 pounds (122,472 kilograms)<br />Maximum Takeoff Weight: C-5B 769,000 pounds (348,818 kilograms) (peacetime), 840,000 pounds (381,024 kilograms) (wartime)<br />Speed: 518 mph (.77 Mach)<br />Range: 6,320 nautical miles (empty)<br />Crew: 7 (pilot, co-pilot, two flight engineers and three loadmasters)<br />Unit Cost: C-5A - $152.8 million (FY98 constant dollars) C-5B - $179 million (FY98 constant dollars)<br />Deployed: C-5A - 1969, C-5B - 1980<br />Inventory: Active force and Reserve, 126
A troop compartment is located in the aircraft’s upper deck. It is self-contained with a galley, two lavatories, and 73 available passenger seats. Another 267 airline seats may be installed on the cargo compartment floor - though this is usually done only in emergency situations (maximum combined total of 329 troops including air crew over water). <br /><br />Some C 5 trivia from Wikipedia:<br /><br />
The C-5 aircraft can hold<br /><br />277,000 twelve fluid ounce (355 ml) cans of beverage, <br />76,000 750 ml bottles of wine, <br />752,000 hockey pucks, <br />328,000,000 aspirin tablets, <br />2,400,000 golf balls, <br />10,700 bushels of unshelled Virginia peanuts, <br />25,800,000 ping pong balls (regarding weight), <br />1,000,000 ping pong balls (considering volume), <br />100 Volkswagen Beetles, <br />6 Greyhound buses, <br />3 M1 Abrams battle tanks (although it can only take off with two, and typically carries only one with support equipment), or <br />Enough fuel for the average American car to make 130 round trips from Los Angeles to New York, or to make 31 trips around the world. <br /><br />Additionally,<br />The cargo compartment is big enough for an eight-lane bowling alley. <br />The length of the cargo compartment is longer than the distance flown during the Wright brothers' first flight. <br />The C-5 fuel load is almost equal to the gross weight of a C-141 Starlifter. <br />The rudder area is the same as the wing area on the F-104G aircraft. <br />The paint weighs 2,600 pounds (1,200 kilograms). <br />The C-5 contains more than 103 miles (165 km) of wire, 4 miles (6 km) of tubing, and 5 miles (8 km) of control cables. <br />Each TF-39 engine gulps approximately 42 short tons (38 metric tons) of air per minute. <br />Each tire wears down approximately 0.002 inch (0.05 mm) per landing. <br />Each engine total power output equals the power produced by 800 average automobiles combined. <br />The C-5 is also known as FRED (****ing Ridiculous Economic/Environmental Disaster) by its crews <br />The aircraft averages 16 hours of maintenance for every hour in the air. <br />The Air Force expects to still be using C5s in the 2040s.
 

txswinner

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JB, How would you like to be fishing out of a 40+ year old bass boat. Statistics clear up your question. What about other Armor, big guns, half tracks, Humvees and on and on.<br /><br />No maritime no way you can fight a big time conventional war.<br /><br />Kinda of Sucks doesn't it.
 

txswinner

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As to the ships, it DOES mean that they can not be ordered under action to the US government...
 

Ken G

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You might want to read up a little. A friend of mine is a merchant mariner working on a tanker belonging to Seabulk International. This is copied from their website: http://www.seabulkinternational.com/ <br /><br />"Seabulk owns ten U.S.-flag petroleum and chemical carriers - the industry's largest and youngest independent product tanker fleet. Our U.S.-flag fleet includes five modern, state-of-the-art double-hulls, and handles everything from crude oil to refined products and specialty chemicals. Our U.S.-flag fleet operates in the Jones Act trade - a market largely restricted to vessels built in the U.S., operated and crewed by U.S. citizens and registered under the U.S. flag."<br /><br />Another site to check out is:http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/jobs/l/aa_m_marine.htm<br /><br />"The U.S. Merchant Marine (USMM) is a fleet of privately-owned containerships, tankers, passenger vessels, tugs and other types of ships engaged in domestic and international commerce. They are regulated by the Department of Transportation's Maritime Administration (MARAD).<br /><br />The Merchant Marine has ties to the Coast Guard, Navy and other armed forces. But, while they might be veterans, crew members are not active members of the military. However, Merchant Marine officers are also commissioned officers in the Naval Reserve or another branch of the military reserve. During wartime or national emergencies, the military might call on the Merchant Marine to transport troops and military goods."
 

RPJS

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txs<br /><br />The US has 486 merchant ships (12.5 million tonnes) sailing under the American flag.<br /><br />There are also 680 US owned ships registered in foriegn countries.<br /><br />The US navy has 281 battle force ships.<br /><br />You may not like your countries government, but don't worry, they haven't sold you short when it comes to maritime capabilities.
 

Kiwi Phil

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Aircraft arn't even in the ball-park when it comes to large logistical movements.<br />If my memory serve me correctly, rail tops the list followed by barges on inland/sheltered waterways and Merchant ships on open seas.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip
 

KaGee

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What? TX WHINER WRONG?<br /><br />No way! :rolleyes:
 

Bondo

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> What? TX WHINER WRONG?<br /><br />No way! :rolleyes:
Ayuh,............<br /><br />Again.................As Usual............... ;)
 

rodbolt

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the only issue with a C-5 is landing strips when fully loaded. takes a good strip.<br /> while the C5 can carry a large amount in a short time some of the USNS ships can carry an incredible amount but it takes a week.<br /> but its also why the USN manages so many large ships, the amount of food and supplies carried on an aircraft carrier or an oiler is staggering.<br /> whats impressive is to bring your 335' DDG against an 800+ft oiler to top off the tanks at 15+knots.<br />we could suckle 30,000+ gallons of JP5 in a short time :) . <br />the nice thing is the amount of USNS ships that port in USN ports,which so far are free of foriegn controls.<br />the USNS ships can be identified by the yellow and blue bands on the stacks. other than that they look about identical to a USN ship.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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If I haul anything in my boat for the government, do I have to fly any colors? :D
 
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