Moving large quantity of outboards

RandyJ

Master Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Jun 13, 2002
Messages
808
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

I've done a good bit of scrapping too and sometimes it's not worth the difference to separate for clean aluminum but I do know exactly what you're talking about. However, if you don't have to move'em then that's going to cut your moving expenses significantly as well. Also, I don't give away or sell dirt cheap just to get rid of stuff. Tho' sometimes I will take what I can get to move merchandise if it's not going to do me any good sitting still. As the ol' saying goes, I won't have a U-haul behind the hearse.
 

reelfishin

Captain
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Messages
3,050
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

It's not worth bothering with if you don't get clean aluminum prices. They group outboards with automotive transmissions which are only slightly higher than general scrap.
For an example, if I take a 1985 70hp Evinrude that don't run, for whatever reason, for scrap, it weighs in at about 170lbs, if I pull the lower unit, reseal and pressure test it, I can get $250+ for it, plus the rest of the motor and parts. I sell the tilt and trim unit for $350, the power head if the compression is good for another $250 -$300, and a good prop for anther $50 or so, the cowl for $75 to $100, the carbs for $60 -$75 each, and the all the bits and pieces for another $100 to $150 or so. All that's usually left is the mid section and pan. Now chances are it was a running motor to begin with that sat unused for years. Chances are all it needed was a tuneup, water pump and carb cleaning.
If I scrapped it, I'd have missed out on more than $1200, maybe more and it wasn't even in running condition.
That to me sounds far better than $30 in scrap. When you figure what it all adds up to, even if it were a blown motor, minus the value of the power head or lower unit, it's still a grand from an unknown motor.
Keep in mind that I generally don't buy bad motors, if I do, it's for parts to fix another motor, the remains of that motor either gets sold off or tagged and shelved for future use.

My stock piling of parts came from all too many times when I needed a good motor and couldn't find one cheap, now I rarely have that problem. For the most part the shear convenience of having what I need when I need it because I thought ahead and saved one is worth far more than what it'll cost to move these. My only moving expense will be materials, I already own the trailers and containers, which no doubt will be going with me, full or empty, so there's no reason to unload what I own. I just need to make sure there's no loss in transit.
I figure any move will cost $15K, most of that will be fuel and labor packing. I feel I've knocked the whole lot of items down to the point where I don't need to buy any more trucks or trailers.

When I go, the hearse won't be able to move my U-haul, They'll need a freight train.
He dies with the most toys wins, Right?
 

jasoutside

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Dec 20, 2009
Messages
13,269
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

I am still so confused....

Not a dealer, not a hoarder, not a marina, not a mechanic, not a collector, not a parts distributor, not interested in selling...

One man with 1200ish outboard motors for the "convenience" of having parts on hand if by chance you need them?

Holy cow, what a head scratcher. I would think all convenience is long gone the moment the labor, fuel, truck, semi, trailer, container, time, effort, energy are all factored in to move this massive amount of water propulsion.

I am trying to get my head wrapped around what 1200 OB's would be like, here is my quick math...

Just going off of my one 50hp Johnson, it takes up just about 6 square feet of floor space in my garage sitting on the stand. Multiplied out by 1200 OB's = 7200 square feet. So your standard shipping container is roughly 280 square feet of floor space. So nearly 26 40' shipping containers to handle this load. Let's say you are creative and can stuff/stack twice the number of OB's in each we are still sitting with a convoy of 13 40' shipping containers.

Holy mackerel.

Sell the OB's, sell the trucks, sell the containers, save the labor, save the fuel bill...

Then, when you get to where you are going, buy a couple of brand spanking new E-Tech's (or Yammy, or Honda, or whatever your flavor) maintain it, should be no need for parts for a very, very long time. Now that is convenient, and cost effective. Plus, you'll have a great big mountain of cash left over to buy a brand new truck, brand new boat, or whatever the heck ya want.
 

ezmobee

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 26, 2007
Messages
23,767
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

For an example, if I take a 1985 70hp Evinrude that don't run, for whatever reason, for scrap, it weighs in at about 170lbs, if I pull the lower unit, reseal and pressure test it, I can get $250+ for it, plus the rest of the motor and parts. I sell the tilt and trim unit for $350, the power head if the compression is good for another $250 -$300, and a good prop for anther $50 or so, the cowl for $75 to $100, the carbs for $60 -$75 each, and the all the bits and pieces for another $100 to $150 or so. All that's usually left is the mid section and pan. Now chances are it was a running motor to begin with that sat unused for years. Chances are all it needed was a tuneup, water pump and carb cleaning.
If I scrapped it, I'd have missed out on more than $1200, maybe more and it wasn't even in running condition.

Problem is, you haven't done that. If you had, you wouldn't have 1200 motors.
 

reelfishin

Captain
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Messages
3,050
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

I've got one room with about 400 or so motors in it, it measures 13'x30'. they are all standing up leaning on one another with a narrow isle down the middle. When I need one at the back, they all get moved. The rest are on various home built stands and racks made from either old engine stands or wood.

I had a new truck, didn't like it so I bought a cleaner version of the one I traded in and sold the new one. I have two new cars, bought less than a year ago, both are the same except for color. I can't sell the trailers or trucks, I make a living with them buying and selling auction items.

I look at it this way: If I find a nice clean 1965 boat that needs a motor, I have one, if I sell off all my motors and parts, then I find a nice clean 1965 boat, I'll be paying a premium for that mint clean 1965 motor I need for it.
I have two E-Tec motors, I prefer an older motor. I can't fix or diagnose an E-Tec 5 miles out in the bay. I can pull a spare set of points or a coil out of my tackle box and fix a 1965 motor though.
The number of motors goes up and down, I sell some, buy some, use some, etc. When you buy things in large lots, you gain quantity fast. The last lot I bought included 30 motors, so far I'm through about half of them and they all run as they were found. I figured for the $200 spent, I did OK. All of those were in the 1989-1999 range, all but one was an Evinrude or Johnson. I parted out the one Mercury and saved what appears to be a brand new lower unit.

It costs me nothing to keep them, the current building is 350'x40', plus a few retired containers, buses, and semi trailers.
One semi trailers is full of truck engines, car engines, and spare transmissions for various vehicles I own.
I also fish, hunt, and farm some land, those hobbies also add to the things I have to move. 5 tractors, 40 attachments, a few thousand fishing rods and reels, various firearms, bows and crossbows, 12 garden tractors, and two ATVs. I did have 5 motorcycles but sold those over the summer figuring my riding will change once I make the move.

Again, all that stuff is no big deal to move, it's just the outboards that concern me. They won't be sold off or scrapped, it just isn't an option. They are going with me. It took years to accumulate this much stuff, I sure don't intend to let it all go now. I also have my own personal machine shop and welding equipment, that equipment and various other tools will take up one whole trailer. I sold off the golf carts, snow mobiles, jet skis, most of my high end stereo equipment, and about 3/4 of my fishing tackle. Most of what I sold off was vintage tackle and collectible stuff. I couldn't justify keeping something I will likely never use. I will abandon most of the furniture, or dump it at the last moment so that's not a concern. I would gladly sell off all the outboards under 4hp, probably about 30 or so, those will never see use by me, but other than that, the rest stay for now. The minute I sell one, I'll need it the next day.
 

Raystownboater

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
May 16, 2010
Messages
507
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

To answer your original question........why don't you just build two temporary walls down the length of the trailer and brace them at the corners. Space your studs on 12" centers and put a 2x6 in between the studs to mount the outboards. You can mount the smaller ones upside down with the powerhead resting on the floor of the trailer.

Unfortunately I'm not seeing the need for that many outboards. You mention "if" you need one or you "might" sell one or "if" you find a boat that needs a motor. Why don't you sell some of those outboards to guys on the forums? I'm sure you could get rid of most of the little ones as kickers.
 

Frank Acampora

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
12,004
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

The mark of a hoarder are the words " I might need this." Personally, I think you are being a bit rigid and need to see the big picture. "If" and "Might" do not translate to disposable income. Get rid of the if and might outboards and only keep the ones you expect to use or sell in the next six months to a year.

You talk about money lost by parting out the engines, BUT you are NOT actively selling or parting them and your inventory is doing you no good.

See a specialized shrink to help you decide.

I know, I know: Talk to the hand, the ears are not listening!
 

saumon

Lieutenant
Joined
Aug 2, 2004
Messages
1,452
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Man, do the maths: 1200 OB with an average weight of 200lbs make a 240 000lbs load. Can it be towed?

Forget the wall boards, absolutely. You'll need to lay them on the floor and secure them. As for space, you'll need custom metal crates, like 6'x6'x6'. If you lay them ''head to toes'', you'll be able to put 6 or 8 big ones on the first row, then a shelf 2ft higher and another. Let's say you were able the put 30 OB per crates cause some were smaller, you'll still need 40 of theses crates!

Result: it won't fit in a single semi for sure.

(And yes, it's ''nice'', ''convenient'' and ''fun'' when you happen to have that spare part for an odd OB you get, but is it worth that hassle?)
 

saumon

Lieutenant
Joined
Aug 2, 2004
Messages
1,452
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Did the "few thousand fishing rods" give that away? All addicts try to rationalize their addictions.

It tought it was ''few hundreds'' when i first read it.
And my girlfriend who think i'm nut cause i have 8 fishing rods!
 

halfmoa

Ensign
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
Messages
955
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

All you guys slamming this fella for having 1000+ motors are really starting to bug me. Where do you think obsolete parts come from? The eBay fairy?

To answer your question, I'd go with crates. Either buy a nail gun and find a cheap/free supply of pallets and start building or find a shipping company that'll rent/lease them to ya. Can't say I've ever looked into leasing 250+shipping crates but I'm sure there's a company out there that provides that service. Good luck!

halfmoa
 

Raystownboater

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
May 16, 2010
Messages
507
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Man, do the maths: 1200 OB with an average weight of 200lbs make a 240 000lbs load. Can it be towed?

Result: it won't fit in a single semi for sure.

(And yes, it's ''nice'', ''convenient'' and ''fun'' when you happen to have that spare part for an odd OB you get, but is it worth that hassle?)

With maximum weight limit of 80,000lbs per semi, you may be "attached to another object by an incline plane, wrapped helicly around an axis"
 

jasoutside

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Dec 20, 2009
Messages
13,269
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

All you guys slamming this fella for having 1000+ motors are really starting to bug me. Where do you think obsolete parts come from? The eBay fairy?

Easy fella, read the thread again...

He isn't selling on eBay. He is keeping them in case he needs parts.
 

halfmoa

Ensign
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
Messages
955
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Easy fella, read the thread again...

He isn't selling on eBay. He is keeping them in case he needs parts.

Well he referenced selling parts twice and certainly seemed to know the going rates of used parts. At any rate obsolete parts come from somewhere and if he's gonna be that guy that has every part I need I'll help him with his shipping questions.
 

ezmobee

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Mar 26, 2007
Messages
23,767
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Man, I'll tell ya....I mean this in the nicest possible way, but the things you're saying RF are like word for word the things those people on that Hoarders show say.

halfmoa, I hear what you are saying for sure, but RF isn't running Twin City outboards. If he was, there wouldn't be an issue.
 

halfmoa

Ensign
Joined
Aug 19, 2011
Messages
955
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

Man, I'll tell ya....I mean this in the nicest possible way, but the things you're saying RF are like word for word the things those people on that Hoarders show say.

halfmoa, I hear what you are saying for sure, but RF isn't running Twin City outboards. If he was, there wouldn't be an issue.

True, true...
 

jasoutside

Supreme Mariner
Joined
Dec 20, 2009
Messages
13,269
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

but RF isn't running Twin City outboards. If he was, there wouldn't be an issue.


Well that plus, even if he were a major dealer or parts supplier he'd be selling big time.

Think about it....

Any business of any size that is moving from point A to point B has a "BLOW THE DOORS OFF MOVING EXTRAVAGANZA SALE"

Why? Because they know it makes way more sense to sell everything off than move it. And in this case we are talking about huge pieces of equipment and machinery, not 1200 postage stamps or beanie babies.
 

saumon

Lieutenant
Joined
Aug 2, 2004
Messages
1,452
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

OK, we're all jealous and dreaming of having that much OB but it's kind of having multiple wifes: it may seems fun for a split second but when you consider the maintenance fees, you instantly forget it!
 

BonairII

Commander
Joined
Jun 7, 2011
Messages
2,727
Re: Moving large quantity of outboards

the things you're saying RF are like word for word the things those people on that Hoarders show say.

I agree. After watching Hoarders and American Pickers...it's evident that "hoarding" is more prevalent than most people realize. We all see different degrees of hoarding in our everyday lives....from friends/family that are "Pack Rats" to the neighbor who seems to be starting a private junkyard with all the crap they have(and continue to accumulate).
And they all use the same excuse for not getting rid of stuff....."I might need this someday".
 
Top