National Biased Company strikes again.

[JB]

Last night's "In depth report" on NBC Nightly News. "What is causing all these strong hurricanes?".<br /><br />Environmentalist: The worlds oceans have warmed 1 degree in the last 50 years. Global warming caused by greenhouse gasses is causing these H'canes.<br /><br />What they didn't offer (but TWC did): <br /><br />Meteorologist: <br />1. We are entering a repeated and predicted cycle in which we will have increased number and intensity of severe tropical storms in the North Atlantic for about the next 20 years. The effect of 1 degree average in the oceans is insignificant.<br /><br />2. In the eastern Indian and western Pacific Oceans severe tropical storms have been and will continue to be reduced in number and intensity over that same 20 year period.<br /><br />Nobody to blame for the truth, so substitute incompetent speculation.

 

[Ron G]

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Ive been trying to tell my boss that for a year,but all i hear is global warming this and global warming that,

 

[oddjob]

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I'm glad we have global warming!....sounds like a plus to me..better than global freezing!

 

[TilliamWe]

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Oddjob, I agree with you totally. I am not a wooly mammoth, so, I'll take the "heat" before the "freeze"!

 

[ufm82]

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My question about global warming is:<br /><br />Is it caused by man?<br /><br />I know global warming exists- remember, only 10,000 short years ago, much of North America was covered in glaciers. Here in Ohio some areas were under hundreds of feet of ice. Since then, the Earth has warmed and the glaciers have retreated. Global warming. Now, as far as I know, there were no SUV's or coal-fired power plants 10,000 years ago to start the warming process. So, are we causing the effect or are we simply seeing the effect? And, is there truly anything we can do to change it? <br /><br /> I will agree that there is a tremendous amount of environmental damage done every year by man's carelessness. It sickens me to see third world countries destroying themselves in the process of saving themselves. In Ecuador, you can buy an acre of mangrove swamp for $3,000. You go in, cut all the mangroves down and start a shrimp farm. The shrimp are harvested and exported. The swamp dies from over-exploitation and then you move on to the next acre. Slowly the area is decimated by the process- yet how can they stop their citizens from making a living? It's a double edged sword. <br /><br /> The hurricanes get worse but we continue to build in dangerous places. Fragile ecosystems are destroyed and our buffer zones shrink. Wetlands and marshes shelter our coastlines but they are shrinking quickly too. Channelization and silt are ruining rivers and streams. Economics and Ecology don't always mix. <br /><br /> It's a true dilemna in our time. <br /><br />UFM82

 

[stan_deezy]

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UFM82, I think a lot of hot air has been expelled about global warming and the causes of it. I've been an avid reader/listener to the debates and wonder why the people aren't given the chance to listen to some of the science behind global warming?<br />The planet Earth heats up and cools down in natural cycles: it's been doing for millions of years as can be shown by scientific research (ice core studies etc).<br /><br />What I always do when I listen to or read articles is make sure that they have been "peer-reviewed" first. Basically someone else looks at the science and makes sure that it is correct and not some "wooly mammoth" story (if you'll pardon the pun).<br /><br />Man might have made a very small difference to the speed of the cycle but this has been offset by the reduction in volcanic activity that has occurred over the last several millenia.<br /><br />Just one small example of how the other side of the arguement ignore rational science I guess?

 

[mattttt25]

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the world population was 2.56 billion in 1950.<br /><br />world population is now approx 6.5 billion.<br /><br />it's silly to think that humans have not caused some sort of change that has affected the weather.

 

[eeboater]

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If humans are so all great and powerful in that they can change the weather -- how come we can't stop these hurricanes?<br /><br />Seems to me if we have the ability to raise the temperature of the world and ALLLLLL the oceans... why can't we stop the hurricanes. <br /><br />Surely we powerful humans can somehow steer these things!! And what about tornados? Why can't we make them stop? I mean come on!!! They're just spinning air, right?<br /><br />More oil and waste gets leaked into the oceans by mother nature each year than man. Its ridiculous to think that we teeny tiny humans can control the weather on earth. Cripes - we just finally figured out that the core of the earth rotates in an opposite direction than the actual rotation of the earth. Do people realize the SIZE and MAGNITUDE of this world? Its arrogant to think we COULD affect this place. Espcially since all you need is ONE volcanic eruption to lower the temperature of the world by a degree or two - versus we 6 billion humans trying to raise the temperature of the world by half a degree.<br /><br />Sean

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> the world population was 2.56 billion in 1950.<br /><br />world population is now approx 6.5 billion.<br /><br />it's silly to think that humans have not caused some sort of change that has affected the weather.

Please explain your theory matt...and promise I wont call you silly in advance. <br /><br />Also what kind of impact did the dinos make I wonder...They were here for a while right?....

 

[oddjob]

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double

 

[ED21]

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If you think NBC is bad, try watching the BBC news on PBS. I watch it for the different world view & news they report, but on the environment-what a crock.<br />On a recent report on drilling for oil in the ANWAR, the had a close up of an oil drilling rig & intimated the entire area would be covered with them rather than a few thousand acres.<br />Last night they were talking about curtailing airline flights to combat "global warming"

 

[stan_deezy]

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> <br />it's silly to think that humans have not caused some sort of change that has affected the weather.

please provide peer-reviewed scientific data and I'll listen.

 

[mattttt25]

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eeboater- i never said humans can control the weather, i inferred we can affect it. big difference.<br /><br />oddjob, stan- i could look up and post hundreds of scientific papers supporting the theory that humans have made an impact on current weather trends. and you could post a hundred more arguing against it. no one knows for sure, and there are equal numbers of people trying to show proof of both sides.<br /><br />my simple comment was just trying to show the big picture. people have a huge affect on the environment. with the population more than doubling in the past 50 years, it seems to make sense that the environment has been affected in some way. i'm not supporting the greenhouse affect or arguing against it. i'm just saying we as humans have had some affect.<br /><br />no the dinosaurs didn't have the same affect. i don't think we found too many fossil cars, refineries, dino homes, etc.

 

[stan_deezy]

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I take the point matttt, there is a lot of conflicting "evidence" out there and of course the thing you have to keep a focus on is who funded the research and, perhaps more importantly, is who reviewed it prior to publication. <br />A good source of information is a journal like Nature where the peer-review and editorial review is extremely strict. This might sound blinkered but IMHO if it gets into Nature then it's got to be pretty accurate.<br />I'm still not convinced that man has made an impact to global warming: the environment is a different matter with the way some of our activities have caused pollution (Exxon Valdez) or eradicated some of the species on our planet (Dodo).<br />

Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> no the dinosaurs didn't have the same affect. i don't think we found too many fossil cars, refineries, dino homes, etc.

but volcanic activity was much much higher as I tried to point out slightly in my previous post.

 

[JB]

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Global Warming: What takes place between ice ages.

 

[stan_deezy]

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spot on JB: and not a scientist in sight

 

[QC]

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I'm moving to Colorado, I just hope I can get there before Cat. 5 Hurricanes start hitting the West Coast. Wish me luck!!!

 

[PW2]

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This is a just plain silly discussion. To a serious issue.<br /><br />First of all, all of these theories will never be "proven" by all involved to the exclusion of all other theories--The science of it all is simply too complex. The things we can measure (Ocean temps, depth of polar ice caps, etc) all suggest global warming exists, and is happening.<br /><br />The cause is less clear. We do have models that suggest "greenhouse gasses" can indeed affect it. We can take action to lower the emission of greenhouse gasses.<br /><br />Will it make a huge difference? No one can say for absolute certainty, one way or another, but it is something that we caused, it is something that we can begin to reverse, and it is the only thing we can control to any degree. We have an obligation, IMO, to at least try.<br /><br />Complex science does not lend itself to simplistic black and white solutions or explainations<br />. If you put it in a risk matrix, you have a clear answer:<br /><br />Do nothing>> Would help Risk level high<br />Do nothing >>not help Risk level low<br /><br />Do something >> Not help Risk level low<br />Do something>> Would help Reward level high <br /><br />The only way to run any real risk is to do nothing, when action would indeed help. Even if you do something, and it doesn't help, there is little risk, other than a little bit of money.<br /><br />However, if you do something, and it does help, it has the potential of great reward.<br /><br />It is a no-brainer

 

[JB]

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Don't disagree with your point, PW2.<br /><br />I just get tired of the Chicken Little shouting and name calling.

 

[oddjob]

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PW, do you drive an SUV?