Need an opinion on this boat for sale

[FarmerSid]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Philster. There's a difference between being blunt and rude. I don't need any sugar coating. Like everyone else posting here, I asked for honest opinions and I got some. I can handle being told if it's junk and to run. I or anyone else don't need a reply from some "commander" that we are here asking questions looking for one person to say "go get it" or "some small part of their flawed premise". We are looking for some experienced people who have been through this before. If you don't have anything constructive to say, any first hand experience with the problems I may encounter or feel like being rude, stay out of the thread. Go pound your "commander" keyboard somewhere else or go slap yourself upside the head with a large, cold, wet fish -- maybe more than once. I'm just being blunt..........

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Well now, this is fun...

Maybe, we should just call it a day.

 

[evolution1985]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Philster. There's a difference between being blunt and rude. I don't need any sugar coating. Like everyone else posting here, I asked for honest opinions and I got some. I can handle being told if it's junk and to run. I or anyone else don't need a reply from some "commander" that we are here asking questions looking for one person to say "go get it" or "some small part of their flawed premise". We are looking for some experienced people who have been through this before. If you don't have anything constructive to say, any first hand experience with the problems I may encounter or feel like being rude, stay out of the thread. Go pound your "commander" keyboard somewhere else or go slap yourself upside the head with a large, cold, wet fish -- maybe more than once. I'm just being blunt..........

okie dokies, heres a smile now everyone do the same. I have been in a similar situation, I have done all the work that you would have to do and its not worth it financially. If you get stuck with a boat that you didn't know you had it cool, but everything your saying seems to be like your looking to get a bargain, and everyone is but there is no way in pie or earth that you will come out ahead on this one.
ok So just putting this out there, Yep that could be a ten thousand dollar boat when your done, down here when finished it would be at least twenty. But im going to say this, this forum is full of people doing stringer, floor and transom repairs and rebuilds. when You said that you found another for 4600, what would it cost you to go get that one? i mean lets face it, a weekend or a week drive or 6-12 month resto? I can pretty much PROMISE you that by the time that your done cleaning this one up, you'll have spent more than what it would have cost you to go get the ready made one. resto's on a boat like that will cost ten to twenty times what you originally think it will. it looks like it needs trim, exterior fibreglass repairs, engine work, floor work and structure work. So does that leave anything on the boat that doesn't need work? Also it has bottom paint, which means a little bow rider has been sitting in salt water for prolonged periods of time, the skeg is non existent and to be honest with you I think your lucky you didn't fall through the floor.

I'll say it again, even if you took a weekend - week off work and drove to pick up the other one you found for 4600 or transporting it, you would still be better off. plus you have a boat that you can use! sorry mate, but after seeing those photos and good on you for taking allot of photos, Im surprised you didn't carp your pants when you got there.

 

[Maclin]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

FarmerSid, the Ranks on the avatar section are put on by the iBoats forum software and are set by post count.

 

[Maclin]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Evolution, are you serious about it being a $10k boat? Ever? even in pristine condition I think $10k is a stretch, just sayin'.

 

[FarmerSid]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

FarmerSid, the Ranks on the avatar section are put on by the iBoats forum software and are set by post count.

Ya, I know that. It was just.......... anyway's but thanks for pointing that out.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Evolution, are you serious about it being a $10k boat? Ever? even in pristine condition I think $10k is a stretch, just sayin'.

A '97 basic bowrider with the 3.0? Yeah that's a $6k boat TOPS and that's if it was MINT.

 

[FarmerSid]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

okie dokies, heres a smile now everyone do the same. I have been in a similar situation, I have done all the work that you would have to do and its not worth it financially. If you get stuck with a boat that you didn't know you had it cool, but everything your saying seems to be like your looking to get a bargain, and everyone is but there is no way in pie or earth that you will come out ahead on this one.
ok So just putting this out there, Yep that could be a ten thousand dollar boat when your done, down here when finished it would be at least twenty. But im going to say this, this forum is full of people doing stringer, floor and transom repairs and rebuilds. when You said that you found another for 4600, what would it cost you to go get that one? i mean lets face it, a weekend or a week drive or 6-12 month resto? I can pretty much PROMISE you that by the time that your done cleaning this one up, you'll have spent more than what it would have cost you to go get the ready made one. resto's on a boat like that will cost ten to twenty times what you originally think it will. it looks like it needs trim, exterior fibreglass repairs, engine work, floor work and structure work. So does that leave anything on the boat that doesn't need work? Also it has bottom paint, which means a little bow rider has been sitting in salt water for prolonged periods of time, the skeg is non existent and to be honest with you I think your lucky you didn't fall through the floor.

I'll say it again, even if you took a weekend - week off work and drove to pick up the other one you found for 4600 or transporting it, you would still be better off. plus you have a boat that you can use! sorry mate, but after seeing those photos and good on you for taking allot of photos, Im surprised you didn't carp your pants when you got there.

Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your honest opinions. I'd have probably have another $2000 into it by the time you factor in the fuel or shipping plus taxes at the border. But, even still with all the replies I've gotten, It would probably still be cheaper to get one ready to go. The opinions here are making me see that. I am just weighing my options and seeing if I got the boat cheap enough and repaired it, would I be much ahead.

 

[Philster]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Philster. There's a difference between being blunt and rude. I don't need any sugar coating. Like everyone else posting here, I asked for honest opinions and I got some. I can handle being told if it's junk and to run. I or anyone else don't need a reply from some "commander" that we are here asking questions looking for one person to say "go get it" or "some small part of their flawed premise". We are looking for some experienced people who have been through this before. If you don't have anything constructive to say, any first hand experience with the problems I may encounter or feel like being rude, stay out of the thread. Go pound your "commander" keyboard somewhere else or go slap yourself upside the head with a large, cold, wet fish -- maybe more than once. I'm just being blunt..........

Feel better?

 

[Maclin]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Most people here would like your next thread to be "Found a boat, sea trialed it, ran great, bought it and our first time on the water was a blast" rather than "Bought a boat, and WHAT was I THINKING..."

 

[evolution1985]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Evolution, are you serious about it being a $10k boat? Ever? even in pristine condition I think $10k is a stretch, just sayin'.

Hey maclin, it all depends on where you are, the gent in question is saying that where he is in the world in good condition it would be a ten grand boat. just to freak you out a bit more, in Australia in good condition that's a twenty grand boat here in good condition. as it sits now it probably wouldn't sell and I'd have no idea what it would be worth. it all depends on where you are and what your local market is. our prices have come down considerably since allot more boat manufacturers started opening shops down here, larson, glastron, bayliner etc etc. but they are still much much higher. Its all relative my friend.

 

[evolution1985]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

A '97 basic bowrider with the 3.0? Yeah that's a $6k boat TOPS and that's if it was MINT.

sorry guys farmersid stated that where he is it would be a ten grand boat in good condition. I am envious that you guys have such good prices on boats and such but its all supply and demand and relative i suppose. I was not saying I know what your markets are worth, lols im on the other side of the world. But I do definitely understand different areas have different price markets for consumables.

tell you what tho ez, when my partner and I buy our big boat I am def going to post here asking for help to find one in the states for us. you guys seem to find all the best deals going around

 

[evolution1985]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Most people here would like your next thread to be "Found a boat, sea trialed it, ran great, bought it and our first time on the water was a blast" rather than "Bought a boat, and WHAT was I THINKING..."

yep I second that. and heck I third that.

 

[UncleWillie]

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Thanks for the reply. I appreciate your honest opinions. I'd have probably have another $2000 into it by the time you factor in the fuel or shipping plus taxes at the border. But, even still with all the replies I've gotten, It would probably still be cheaper to get one ready to go. The opinions here are making me see that. I am just weighing my options and seeing if I got the boat cheap enough and repaired it, would I be much ahead.

WARNING: Lots of Smileys to follow! This thread needs some!
... I just found out that iBoats limits you to 6 per Post, I had 14 originally... Boo!

Now that everyone has calmed down a bit .... let's keep this in perspective.
This is all sounding a lot like me asking the admiral for an opinion
It usually ends with something like, "Well, if you are not going to listen to me!, then why did you ask in the first place!?"

The request here is for an Opinion, NOT a Decision.
Everyone has an opinion, and we would all like to think that ours is correct, and yours is not!

Sid is still deciding on whether to buy a Boat, or buy a Project.
He is asking for opinions to help make the decision. It will be his decision, you may not agree, but that's OK!

Everyone has a different definition of what is enjoyable.

I can tell that some folks here think that buying a basket case and spending hundreds of hours repairing it is a waste of time.
Others have the mind set that, if they buy a project boat for $1000 dollars, Spend 500 hours and $4000 on it, and then sell it for $5000, it was money well spent.

The folks from the first group will look at it as 500 wasted hours with Zero return on investment.
The people from the second group will view it as 500 hours of pure enjoyment that didn't cost them a cent. Life could not be better.

These two groups will never understand each other.
Each thinks the other is a little out of touch with reality and of what is truly important.

Some folks will actually pay someone to change their oil. Others would never consider it!
Yes! there really are people that would prefer to work on the equipment, and will still be quite happy, if they never go for the ride!
They are call, "Pit Crews!"
Consider your Marine Mechanics; Ever wonder why they DO NOT want to go on the Sea Trial?

Most people fall somewhere in the middle, and a little more towards the first group.

Now that we all understand the differences...
Remember, Everyone has an Opinion, Just like everyone has ... (Well, Other Parts!)

Sid will be making his decision based partly on any insight he may gleen from your opinions, Or, he may just reject the whole bunch, and go do something stupid on his own!

At least we tried.

 

[Andy'sDelight]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

A boat with a likely blown/cracked engine and almost guaranteed to have rot. Not to mention it will likely need to be rewired, possibly new gauges. Someone mentioned offer a firm $1000...honestly I think that's way too high. I wouldn't offer a dime over $500 for it, and that's under the premise of knowing that even if you get it free you will never get back the money you put into it trying to fix it up to a respectable level. You're buying this for the enjoyment of fixing it up, at some unforeseen price.

 

[dorelse]

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Interesting read.

I think there are a couple factors here...Canadian boats generally cost more, its been stated time and time again on iboats posts. Not sure if its supply and demand or just the cost of being Canadian + being inland...but its more expensive. If the OP's not wanting to import a boat (and I don't blame him), then there's little point in saying, drive 2,000 miles, pick up this boat in FL...its way cheaper.

He's also said he doesn't mind a project boat, so, that's what this is...a project boat. I'm sure he's taken everyone's posts under advisement, but ultimately, its his decision.

For me, its as much about the journey as it is about the destination. I mean, if I posted that I was happy to pay $600 for my boat...I'd have been skewered too...but I'm happy with my decision and happily work on it steadily 2+ years later. Its cheap therapy.

I also read all the red flags on the sale too, 'dealer doesn't know why it won't run', no way was that boat covered before the dealer got it...etc. (And I agree with all of them, btw.) There is a lot to be concerned about...but its been pointed out, and the OP has taken it under consideration.

Considering his market, I think his offer is fair. He's said he understands this could be a big project, so I think we've helped him go in with his eyes open, and that can be of great help on any potential purchase.

 

[lil buggy]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

:facepalm:
had to try
well i'll be, whadya know
we learn something new everyday


Sid,
best o luck bud.
whatever you chose we'll all be here for you

 

[1973Chieftain]

Re: Need an opinion on this boat for sale

Remember guy's we are buying a Project here, NOT a Boat!


Now for the lost art of bargaining...

The definition of a Fair Exchange is when both the Buyer and the seller are Equally Unhappy.
The Buyer thinks he paid a little too much, and the Seller thinks he should have gotten a little more!

Rule #1. He who talks the most looses!

If the seller keeps explaining every detail about the item, He appears desperate to sell and is at the mercy of the buyer.
The same principal applies to the Buyer.

Ask the seller "NO" questions.
The more questions he keeps answering "NO" to, the less the boat becomes worth in his mind.
Ask if the Motor has been run recently, "NO"
Do not ask if it cranks, The answer may be "Yes, but it didn't have any gas." (That adds Value in his mind.)

You do not know how much he really wants, He may just want to get rid of it and any money is just frosting.
Do not let him know how much you are willing to pay... Wear your Poker Face.

Make your offer and then keep your mouth shut. DO NOT Explain yourself.
The silence is deafening. He will want to reply quickly without thinking too much, just to break the silence.
After the counter offer, Keep your mouth shut for at least a 10 count.
Use the silence to your advantage; He may counter his own counter offer.

Start low, Way too low, You can go up, but you can't go back down.
If you start at $500 and he say's OK... You offered too much.

Its sounds like this....

You... $500
Silence.
Him... I have $5000 in it and really need to get that back.
Silence.
Him... Ok, I could come down to $4000 but that?s about it.
Silence. He just went from 5000 to 4000 and you have done nothing!
You... $750 (Only come up a little at the second offer.)
Silence.
Him... Man your killing me, can't you come up to something reasonable like maybe $3000?
Silence. More silence.
You... would you consider $1500. (Come up a lot at this point)
Silence.
Him... $1500 is way less than I was hoping for.
Silence.
Him... How about $1700, and I'll throw in a spare gas can?
Silence.
You... You have a Deal!

You might have been willing to go with the $3000 offer, but don't let him know it.
Notice that he has nothing to complain about; he won in his mind, because he is the one that came up with the $1700 number.
And, You have nothing to complain about because you are the one that actually accepted the offer.

The Golden Rule of Money ... He, Who Has the Money, Makes the Rules.

Never forget that, as the buyer, you hold the money, and are the one that is in control of the sale.
You are the one that will make the decision to buy, or not buy, and how much will be exchanged.

The seller's only decision is to take the offer or keep the property. NEVER forget this point.

A good salesman knows he is in the position of weakness, but he also knows that most buyers do not understand that they hold the high ground, and keep sticking their heads up.
Keep your head down, and your mouth shut!
And make sure the Admiral know the battle plan!
Remember this the next time you go to buy a car!

Haggling is a lot art in today?s society, but a lot of fun to do, or even watch, when done well.
Watch PAWN STARS to see it done well. You will occasionally see a seller that knows the game.
Mostly you will see sellers getting their heads shot off!
Take close note of how the silence works.

Excellent way of putting it UncleWillie! Ill use it next time I buy!