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32_d3gr33s

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Re: New to me...

a simple test would be that you should be able to hold your hand on the head for a few seconds without getting burned.

I've heard that but wondered if there is an actual temperature range it should be?
 

32_d3gr33s

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Re: New to me...

So I have another problem... I tried to take it out today, didn't work so good. I got it in the lake good got it started and let it warm up. It was ideling ok but as soon as I would try to take off it wanted to stall on me. After about 5 re-starts it stopped stalling on me but when I tried to take off it barely would go. I had the throttle all the way forward and was going about 5. It wasn't revving up so it wasnt slipping in gear, it was just like the throttle cable was loose or something. I put a brand new batch of fuel in it, and I noticed my tach doesn't work either. Anyone have an idea what could be the problem?
 

ezmobee

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Re: New to me...

Post up in the Johnson/Evinrude repair section.
 

32_d3gr33s

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Ive got another question... I got my boat back (had the carbs rebuilt and new choke solenoid put in etc...) When i push the throttle lever forward, i can push it almost half way before the throttle cables actually start doing anything, and all the way forward is actually past horizontal... im new to this so it might be normal, but its seems wierd to me beacuse i have to twist my arm to even get it to full throttle... Is this normal? if not how do i fix it?

(my sweet drawing)
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Biged007

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Re: New to me...

Well at least I'm not the only one driving these poor folks crazy. I gotta say that boat is in great shape for a boat half it's age much less 36 years old. If you could research it back I'm almost betting it's an original pkg. boat/motor comb. that has been pampered most of it's life.
now here's the fun part I just put a throttle cable on my neighbors 18 footer that could be your twin with the exception that his has a 79 140 on it that he just got 2 mo.s ago what I can tell you is with the help of these fine people when you do get it running proper that old girl is gonna fly. and not to **** in your corn flakes please be careful and take it slow the boat I just mentioned when I got it proper will fly past 50 mph so fast it will make your head spin I can tell you I was on a mill pond of a river and at that speed she was a hand full add a little chop it would be down right scary
 

NHGuy

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I had a 1978 V4 115 HP which was very similar to your motor. Since you did the choke solenoid you may know this, but here is the scoop on warmup and choke.
Low on the port forward engine face at the bottom of the cowling you should find a square control slider with 3 positions. Out is manual choke, center is electric assisted-that operates off your new choke solenoid, in is no choke.
On a cold start either go full choke or use the middle position. Ideally you want the middle position so you can run it from the controller. Put the main control into neutral. Pump the fuel bulb til it's firm or hard. Raise the little neutral high idle lever partway to open throttle a bit from idle. Hold up on the choke toggle control below the key. Crank engine and expect a start. Once started feather throttle to run at enough speed to be smooth, but you don't need to rev the hell out of it cold. Give it enough gas to just run smoothly. While this is happening hold and release the choke control if needed. You probably won't need choke too long unless things aren't running well. My motor was tuned right and it would run on no choke after any start, but before I got the carbs synchronized it needed a little of the mentioned "assistance". Once it's warm check to see if you need to go no choke or middle position. Theoretically you leave it in the middle all the time but that can get out of adjustment.

Your motor was way ahead of it's time. It has 4 ignition coils and 4 carburetors. It's the 2 cycle equivalent of a very high performance Italian car in it's day.
If you want to adjust it get the Factory manual. Or find a motorcyle or outboard guy. The carbs are synched using a vacuum gauge. In the 80's when we did mine I had an engineer buddy with a fast car-dirt bike hobby who did it with a mercury filled tube system. We got everything tuned up in the ignition then went out on a calm day and he synched up the carbs at full speed going across the bay. It was like finding another 1/3 of the engine's pickup. I kept that boat another 10 years and it always outran similar rigs. I don't know what pitch propeller it had but the boat itself was a Glastron 178 SSV which was this butt ugly trihull minivan looking thing. For waterskiing I could take 18 feet of slack, have the driver boot the gas and dockstart on one slalom ski. I weighed 200 lbs at the time.
It's a great engine. It will be fine with an oil ratio of 50:1 and regular gas or 89 octane.

To check throttle operation remove the cowling and stand behind the boat with engine off & choke off (in), have someone put the main control in forward gear and put the throttle all the way open, the throttle plates should open at the same rate and finish perpendicular to the carb bores.
If anything isn't correct, check the carb linkages, they are very logical and they can become disconnected. The person who did the choke solenoid could have misconnected something. It's also possible that when you had your poor power run that the choke slide was pulled out. That would mean everything is fine. I hope so.

Enjoy your boat, and don't be seduced by her speed, go fast if you want but do it smart. Figure out how it handles in waves & chop. It has enough power to accelerate after you have slowed so it's OK to slow some through the junk.

That's a good looking ride.
 

ezmobee

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Real good advice there^^^^ I had a choke like that on my '73 and had hard starting problems for like 2 years cuz I was a moron and wasn't using that choke button correctly.
 

32_d3gr33s

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I had a kinda interesting day.... Since my motor has a manual tilt/trim i asked the guy i bought it from what hole i should put the pin in. Its in the second hole and he said that was a good one. So i take the boat out today (had to go through a whole no-wake lake to get it into the big lake) and as soon as i throttle up it wants to stand up straight.... i knew that wasnt right so i stop and try to re-adjust the pin into every other hole with no good result. The motor is not changing angle hardly at all (at almost a 45 degree angle) after fiddling for a while i bring it back in load it up and go home. As im sitting in my driveway i notice that there is a tab that is bracing the motor so i lift it up, and the motor drops right down into the correct position... Now i knew i was no expert at boats, but this made me feel like quite the moron....

just thought i'd share my misfortune
 

gozierdt

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It sounds like you're learning a lot, and getting good advice. What a great resource this forum is!! But be really careful with that rig until you've had a lot more experience. Relatively smooth water is one thing, but big wakes, short choppy wave conditions, big swells, and other things are going to take careful handling. That boat's like a Ferrari- hot and sweet when handled right, but it can hurt you if you're not on top of it.
Good Luck, have fun:D
 

NHGuy

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Oh, man you found the trailering stop! What a bummer to not realize it til you got back. Damn.
ps. do you have a chart for depths where you will operate? The bottom is unforgiving and can cause catastrophic damage.

Now call in sick tomorrow (or maybe late) and go try your boat at first light.
 

32_d3gr33s

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do you have a chart for depths where you will operate?
I don't but I mostly plan on taking it in the big lake (lake Michigan) so I shouldn't have to worry too much.

Now call in sick tomorrow (or maybe late) and go try your boat at first light.
I was actually thinking about it but I work second shift so I should be able to play for a little while before work lol
 

32_d3gr33s

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I need a little more help... I think

I took the boat out today and it ran fine (its a ton of fun). I drove it for about a half an hour and when i went to pull up to the dock it stalled on me and i couldn't get it started. I got it home and started it up on muffs but it started kinda hard and when it was running at idle, it idles good for about 3 seconds then kinda makes a poof noise like its gasping for air or something. never noticed it before now. any idea what is wrong with it? (it doesn't stall or anything, just doesn't sound right) I touched the head before i started it and it was warm, but after idling about 5 minutes it was hot to the touch (couldn't hold my fingers on it more than about 3 seconds)

Any help would be appreciated
 

ezmobee

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Re: New to me...

I think you'd be better off throwing up a new post in the Johnson/Evinrude section at this point.
 

sublauxation

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This may be a stretch but I had a mid 80's merc that was running similar to what you're experiencing. Turns out the down tube into the gas tank was rotted out. Ran great at times, then no power, some popping...... then ran great again.
 

32_d3gr33s

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Do you think water in the tank may cause something like that to happen?
 

sublauxation

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Not sure about water but I'd check any/all fuel or air filters too. Is it a portable tank? If so usually the uptake tube thing will come off pretty easy, probably 3 screws. You can take a look at the tube going down into the tank to see if it has any holes in it, on my merc was pretty obvious.
 

32_d3gr33s

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Re: New to me...

Not what the problem was... It ran fine the next day. I've taken it out a few times since then and I love it!!!


Only problem i have with it is the speed-o and tach don't work... It has them and they look like they are wired right, just don't work... One of the things to add to my "to-do" list for this winter...

Took a couple pictures today....

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ezmobee

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Glad you got it running right. The speedometer is driven by a pitot mounted on the stern that looks like this http://www.mavikmarine.com/images/marpac7-0893.jpg it will have a tube running from it all the way up to the gauge. Check that tube for blockages. The tach is driven by a pulse wire in your control box. An inoperable tach could be just a bad gauge or, since it reads the stator pulses, a sign of a failed charging system. One of the causes could be a bad rectifier. So you might want to look into that one to make sure your motor is charging your battery.
 
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