"One Nation, Under God"

pjc

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Lest we forget our Nation roots--I present a c/p-<br /><br />'Under God'? No question<br />By PAT BOONE<br />Last Updated: Dec. 6, 2003<br />In 1954, a skinny 20-year-old kid from Nashville was on the brink of a dream come true - a career in entertainment and music. Even then, he knew something that still holds true 50 years later: that a little faith in God can be a very big thing. I know this for a fact, because I'm that skinny kid.<br /><br />That was a breakout year for me. I was in my first year of marriage. I appeared for the first time on Arthur Godfrey's "Talent Scouts" and Ted Mack's "Original Amateur Hour" and was blessed to win them both. I inked my first recording contract with Dot Records. Soon after, I had my first chart hit. Shirley and I were expecting our first child, little Cherry. Life was good.<br /><br />I recall another event that year, in June. I was in school at North Texas State, preaching on Sundays in little Slidell, Texas, when President Eisenhower signed an amendment adding two words to our Pledge of Allegiance: "under God." In so doing, he said, "we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage."<br /><br />How many of America's political leaders, in this era of political correctness, would have the spine to utter such words today?<br /><br />I'm proud and happy to be an American and offer my allegiance without hesitation, knowing that America's freedoms, virtues and culture enrich my life and the lives of my wife and children. And like that 20-year-old in 1954, I realize that these blessings didn't come to us by happenstance.<br /><br />As wise as our forefathers were, even they recognized that divine Providence influenced their every move. It was Alexis de Tocqueville who said, "I do not know if all Americans have faith in their religion . . . but I am sure they think it necessary for the maintenance of republican institutions." Amen.<br /><br />A belief in God is still central to the lives of most Americans - 86%, according to one recent poll. That hasn't stopped a vocal minority, however, from trying to hold society hostage to its narrow views, agitating for government to remove the words "In God We Trust" from our coins and "under God" from the pledge.<br /><br />The 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals has ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance may violate the First Amendment's separation of church and state. Yet the First Amendment never mentions the words "church," "state" or "separation."<br /><br />Eisenhower didn't say which god or whose god guides America. He simply recognized God, as have all American presidents at one time or another, starting with George Washington, whose first inaugural address made reference to "that Almighty Being," the "Great Author," his "Invisible Hand," "heaven itself" and the "Parent of the Human Race." Any doubt what Washington would have thought of efforts to purge "under God" from the pledge?<br /><br />While the 14% are certainly entitled to their views, maybe it's time to tell them to shut up and get over it. While the Constitution guarantees their right to hold and express whatever views they wish, the Constitution also guarantees majority rule. We have rights, too, even if a minority of Americans objects.<br /><br />Americans from all religious traditions praise the blessings of God every day and pray for his forgiveness. In God we trust.<br /><br />The Pledge of Allegiance is an expression of national purpose and unity. The fact that it contains the words "under God" no more makes it a religious statement than when we say a hurricane or tornado is "an act of God."<br /><br />When I cut my most recent album, the "American Glory" CD, I included the original song "Under God" to remind Americans, especially the young, why those two words are included in and appropriate for the pledge. Every time I recite the 31-word pledge, I am moved by it. Remove the words "under God," and the tone and texture change dramatically.<br /><br />I can speak only for Pat Boone. But the pledge without reference to that "transcendent" higher authority would not be the same. I would feel less the man, less the patriot, less the blessed.<br /><br />The Supreme Court will rule on the pledge case next year. With God's guidance, the justices will remain true to our founding fathers, the Constitution and the American people.<br /><br />Pat Boone, singer and performer, is national spokesman for the 60 Plus Association, a senior citizen advocacy group based in Arlington, Va.<br /><br />From the Dec. 7, 2003 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
 
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Pat,<br /><br />Thanks for the post.<br /><br />IMHO, the founding fatheres were able to put together a document of such brilliance because they knew they were servants of a higher power.<br /><br />Other countries have tried, yet there failure was their faith in one person or a small group of leaders.<br /><br />As we become evermore secular, our grasp on those ideals is slipping.
 

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let's not forget the rest of the sentance:<br />...indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.<br />just as important IMO, perhaps more so.
 

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And as Pat Harvey always said, and now for the other side of the story.<br /><br />Our country is based on the idea of liberty and equality. Yet every day millions of American students declare the foundation of our country to be something else entirely: a single God. Although "God" may be considered in many different ways, it is undeniable that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is biased toward a particular religion. This phrase transforms the Pledge of Allegiance into a contradiction against itself. A nation cannot simultaneously be "under God" and provide "liberty and justice for all." Belief in a certain God should not be a prerequisite for liberty and justice in this country. Religion-specific ideas are not a part of our national government, and they should not be a part of our pledge to it. <br /><br />The Pledge of Allegiance was not always such a contradictory statement. Until 1954, it was merely a declaration of belief in the founding values of our country. As such, the pledge was a tribute to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Gettysburg Address, and other American documents, rather than just to a piece of colored cloth. <br /><br />Then the Knights of Columbus helped spread the addition of "under God," until it was finally adopted nationally. President Eisenhower explained his support of the addition by saying, "In this way we are affirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future." But religious faith has never been the predominant characteristic of America; in fact, many of the first American colonists attempted to escape the requirements of their religions. By including God, the pledge now supports the beliefs of only one part of the American populace. In a country dedicated to the ideal of freedom, including that of religion, God has no place in a nationwide declaration of patriotism. <br /><br />The addition of "under God" to the pledge has not gone uncontested. In June of 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional because of those two words. According to the court, the inclusion of God violates the First Amendment's Establishment Clause because it implies that the national government endorses Christianity. <br /><br />As Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote, "A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion." This is exactly the problem with the Pledge of Allegiance as it exists today. It is impossible to allow for freedom of religion when students across the country declare the nation the realm of one particular God. <br /><br />Many argue that the pledge is not a constitutional violation because it is not mandatory for all students to recite it. It may be voluntary, but schools still present the idea of "one nation under God" as their official position. Most students, rather than attempting to fight against the statement that God prevails in this country, simply recite the pledge because it is easier. Even if they do not actually say the pledge, students are often required to stay silent and stand while the rest of the class recites it. This forces even dissenting students to respect the school recitation of the pledge. <br /><br />As the 9th District appeals court stated, "Although students cannot be forced to participate in recitation of the pledge, the school district is nonetheless conveying a message of state endorsement of a religious belief when it requires public school teachers to recite, and lead the recitation of, the current form of the pledge." The environment created by the schoolwide statement of the pledge results in an "unacceptable choice between participating and protesting" for the students, according to the appeals court. Despite the legal ability of students to remain silent, the Pledge of Allegiance in reality forces most American students to state the superiority of one religion. <br /><br />All across the country, students repeat the Pledge of Allegiance day after day, many not even thinking about the words they say. Yet for the significant portion of students who do not believe in the Christian God, the pledge is a contradiction of everything America is supposed to signify. For the Hindi students, the Buddhist, the students of every conceivable religion or of no religion at all, the pledge is not simply a salute to a set of values and the flag that stands for them. It is an admission that their beliefs are not truly welcome in this country. It is a negation of the founding principles of America. It is a national endorsement of Christianity, which is precisely what the First Amendment forbids. It is a Pledge of Allegiance to a religion. The removal of the words "under God" from the pledge is necessary to make it truly a pledge of allegiance to a flag and to a country.
 
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I do not care one bit if the words "under God" are in the pledge or not.<br /><br />The intentions of the founding fathers are clear. It cannot be denied that their faith was important to them.<br /><br />It may not be to todays society, that's obvious. But again, it was to them.
 

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If we do all our current political and social thinking on the "intentions" of the founding fathers then we have to take back the vote from women, all non property holders, and people of color. They must once again become chattel to be seen and not heard. Times have changed and our REPUBLIC, not DEMOCRACY, have to keep up. One of the major reasons why America is a Republic is to protect the rights of the minority from the tyranny of the majority so that, nowadays, ALL citizens can enjoy the rights of Liberty.
 

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Those very same founding fathers also had no problem with using the bible to justifing slavery and take land and liberty away from the indians. They also had no problem with the idea that women did not have the right to vote and a whole list of other things that we take for granted today.<br /><br />Times change and ideas of what is right and wrong with them. Hopefully for the better.
 

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THE ENGLISH EQUIVILENT FOR ALLAH = GOD!<br /><br />THE ENGLISH EQUIVILENT FOR MOHAMMED = GOD!<br /><br />THE ENGLISH EQUIVILENT FOR BUDA = GOD!<br /><br />THE ENGLISH EQUIVILENT FOR JAHOVA = GOD!<br /><br />ALL THE MORE REASON FOR KEEPING "UNDER GOD" IN THE PLEDGE!<br /><br />THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH "UNDER GOD", ARE THE ATHEISTS, AND I COULD CARE LESS WHAT THAT BUNCH OF LIARS SAY!<br /><br />Hope I yelled load enough for ya!
 

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All good points but when it comes down to it the goverment can barely deal the country. Last thing I want is to tell me what or who I worship.
 

wvit100

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your right Kenny, the word god can be considered to mean many different things. However, you have to admit that in the United States, when you say "under God" you are taking about the christian god, not Budda, not Thor.
 

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All very good points I think. As WVIT stated though, I think we do have to remember that the "under god" part was not original to the pledge in the first place (not from our founding fathers), it was an addition to it. <br /><br />I see Kenny's point that "god" should hold the meaning of "any god", but I think popular belief is that it would mean a Christian god, which is what needs to change.<br /><br />I guess from WVIT's post I can see the reason that it should be taken out, but my view is that it means "any god". Because I think we are currently taking this separation of church and state just a little over the edge lately, I think "under god" can stay. The problem in the end is fanaticism...there are religious fanatics and separation of church and state fanatics, and neither side is willing to give any leeway to the other.<br /><br />I am curious as to why all athiests are a bunch of liars though? :confused:
 

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What we have here is a culture war. We live in a multicultural nation with many Gods.<br /><br />Americans are very divided when it comes to issues relating to God. We feel our blood pressure rise as we read about the elimination of the word God from our Pledge, our money, our schools and our social gatherings. <br /><br />However, note that the issue here isn't whether religion is good or bad. The Constitution protects against government sponsorship of religion. The inclusion of "God" does constitute such sponsorship."<br /><br />Frankly, I think the real problem here is that most Americans don't really believe in the First amendment. Each of us tends to think that everyone one else should believe and act like they themselves do. I think that's a natural tendency, but one that we need to fight. <br /><br />The First Amendment is the cornerstone of our society. A diversity of beliefs and ideas is the very strength upon which this country was built. It's much more important than some shared religious view IMHO.
 

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No wvit100,<br /><br />You said that, not me!<br /><br />"God" is the english word for superior being, and our forefathers knew that, and meant it to apply to ALL RELIGIONS PRACTICED IN THE UNITED STATES!!!<br /><br />Never once did any of our forefathers EVER SAY that God was only christian!!!!!<br /><br />DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!!!<br /><br />I can speak for myself, and I do not agree with your philosophy!!<br /><br />If you want "Under God" and "In God We Trust" removed from all referances in the United States, then we MUST LEVEL THE CAPITOL CITY OF WASHINGTON DC, DESTROY THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE, TEAR UP THE BILL OF RIGHTS, AND BURN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!<br /><br />All buildings in Washington DC reference "God"!!<br /><br />All of the above documents reference "God"!!
 

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without taking sides on the issue, the fact that<br />the phrase "divides" people is the real contradiction here.
 

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Hmmm. I haven't seen any argument here that has not been posted a dozen times in the past couple of years.<br /><br />Why bother rehashing stale arguments? I haven't noticed any mind-change before, and I don't notice any now.<br /><br />This sort of spitting match serves only to inflame tempers and damage mutual respect.<br /><br />Let us drop it. :(
 

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Thought we might be able to get through it this time without all the screaming and actually be able to recognize some very good points on both sides, but I guess not....I'm with JB.
 

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The fact that "under god" does not meet the criteria of a state sponcered religion is a fact that must be addressed.<br /><br />The separation of church and state is not in the constitution, bill or rights, or anywhere but an opinion of a judge in a lawsuit. It has risen to the level of being misquoted and misused by those who would like to change meanings and history.<br /><br />The right to bear arms has been modified more times than can be documented, so that arguement has little or no validity. Nobody can argue that God played a major role in the establishment of rights and freedoms when this country was established. I know that the under god reference was added recently 60years or so, but the acknoledgement of a christian influence on the constructs of this country is undeniable. FYI there is no freedom from religion, just freedom of religion.<br /><br />My faith will not be affected regardless of what is in the the Pledge, I do find it interesting how the opposite can't be said of those who look to have it removed. I don't understand why we need to change what is a historical reference to placate the insecure.<br /><br />Any arguement that this country was not founded on Judeo-Christian pricipals, and all of us have benefited from that, is an intentional distortion of reality.
 

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vwit<br />
And as Pat Harvey always said, and now for the other side of the story.<br />
You should have cut and pasted your first line as well, just like the liberal editorial article you shared.<br /><br />I'm so impressed with your debating/net search skills. :D <br /><br />BTW its Paul Harvey, and its:"the rest of the story" : ;) :D
 

wvit100

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kenny I wasn't putting any words in your mouth only pointing out that everyone knows what god is being referred to when we put the words "under God" in the pledge. Why else would the word god be capitalized. This capitalization signifies that the god being talked about is God.<br /><br />and I understand that the founding fathers were religious men. in fact most people then were far more religious than they are today. most schools were run by the church as there was no state sponsered education system in most places and the classes were held in the church as it was usually the only public building in most small towns. so naturally most people would be raised in and around activities that involved the church. the church was more of a social center than it is today.<br /><br />society was far more monocultural then also, most people looked and lived like other people in the community, except for some communities where blacks were involve but they were not counted as members of the community.<br /><br />today we live in a different world, there are far more cultures and religions. change is inevitable and everyone needs to learn to live together. exclusion of certain races or religions only breeds contempt and mistrust.
 

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Please folks--the intent here was to share Pat Boones article. I found the following of most importance to me--and me only:<br /><br />
A belief in God is still central to the lives of most Americans - 86%, according to one recent poll. That hasn't stopped a vocal minority, however, from trying to hold society hostage to its narrow views, agitating for government to remove the words "In God We Trust" from our coins and "under God" from the pledge.<br />
While the 14% are certainly entitled to their views, maybe it's time to tell them to shut up and get over it. While the Constitution guarantees their right to hold and express whatever views they wish, the Constitution also guarantees majority rule. We have rights, too, even if a minority of Americans objects
And I sure do recognize and respect that our Nation is built upon immigrants and those here naturaly, some have very diverse religious beliefs, some no religious beliefs.<br /><br />One comment, a Holiday is near--some will celibrate this Holiday for religious reasons--some for the festivities. What is important imo is that all are celebrating this holiday together regardless of their reasons. Kinda like our nations citizens behaving as one despite opposing viewpoints or beliefs.
 
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