Outboard boat taking on too much water in splashwell

[ringo111]

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iam a welder .making jack plate wouldn,t be a problem,how would i be able to raise or lower motor if any one has pics of one or how to make one would be great.again thanks.

 

[Maclin]

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Sometimes you just gotta google it.

 

[smokeonthewater]

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Well I've done all I can to help you..... good luck with whatever

 

[ringo111]

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thank you

 

[Home Cookin']

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going back to the pictures, I don't think he needs to replace the motor if he can raise it. The moron who sold it to him cut the transom too low, and the motor he has on it is just about swamped. I'm not sure you get a lot of short/long shaft options on large motors.

So Ringo, learn about the proper height of a motor, based on the cavitation plate and the hull bottom. Unless the motor is already ruined from sitting too low, that is the only thing of value you have there. And it ain't worth much from the age of it.

Since you are a welder, you don't need a true jack plate (which is designed to move the motor up and down) you need a fixed raised mount. Mounting a real jack plate under water on the home-made filler (of the old transom hole) then having 135 horsed pushing against the top will most likely collapse the hole rig. Why not run a brace across the opening?

I know I seem to be changing my position that no effort is worth it on this rig; I'm not. But just adding a traditional jack plate is dangerous.

 

[ringo111]

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Motor is still good its a 96 .as it stands now transom is 20 inch.fm bott of cavitation plate toot of mounting bracket is 20 inches .if I raise motor won't it affect cavitation.

 

[Home Cookin']

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I don't understand what you just said.

Your cavitation plate needs to be slightly below the hull bottom. just a little. Yours is way below. (The cav plate is the last thing above the prop--not the little one above that).

 

[sublauxation]

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Can you lower the motor and post a pictures looking at it from the back and from the side to give a better idea of the current height?

 

[chriscraft254]

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Ok, I knew there just wasn't something not right about this!! The picture from the previous owner made me go hunting.

Ringo, I have done some research!! This boat is more than likely a very rare breed that needs to be restored to its former glory! This boat if I am correct, is called a Chris Craft 17' Lancer "Outboard Inboard".....

The boat was produced on a very limited scale in 1971. They only made 60 of them!!!! It had a outboard motor that was built into the hull with a cover over it. Its max hp rating was 125 hp. These were considered the babies of the fleet.

So I think I just threw a wrench right into the op's plans! I would bring this gem back to original! The previous owner ruined the boat when he built that in and installed the motor on the back! :facepalm:

Op, not only do you have a nice old lancer that was a great hull back then, even for racing! But if I'm correct you have one of the rarest lancers out there. They were candy apple red with a white boot stripe! What color was your hull? Red!!! Congrats on a great find that has been butchered! :facepalm: I would be asking the previous owner if he has the old engine/outboard cover! Doubt it though.

I just went back and read everyones posts and we were all wrong, cracks me up! We were all right to say it needs rebuilt. Ringo, if you do a very good restore on this, it could be worth some money down the road when your finished. But it would take some time and finding the original parts would surely be difficult!

 

[chriscraft254]

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Thats why this photo looked to good to me, it was factory!

Here is the old brochures! Pretty cool, get the outboard performance with a sound cover,lol Check out the plane!

Here was the i/o version

 

[chriscraft254]

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Here is a thread from 2007 right here on iboats. Has pics!! http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=189002&highlight=1971+lancer

 

[ezmobee]

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There are lots of limited production run boats. Heck most of them are. I wouldn't give the OP any hope that he's sitting some rare classic. The only particularly valuable Chris Crafts are wood.

 

[Home Cookin']

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well there's a horse of a different color!

Nonetheless, from the seller's photo before the "improvement" it is clear that the motor is mounted too low. Ringo, ignore the whale tail and look at the built-in cavitation plate (horizontal plate just above the prop). It needs to be almost alligned with the hull bottom. I suppose the original boats had either a higher transom (inside) or some kind of plate, or they got shorter large motors.

And "rare" isn't always "valuable." If you want to restore it to original to try to reap some of its value as a rarity, you will have to spend big bucks and do everything right. And since you are in an isolated area, there may not be many people around who will appreciate it. So if you don't want to get in the boat collector business, I'd try to sell the hull to a collector--maybe a long-time Cris Craft dealer. The collector guys will be able to handle shipping a hull.

 

[oops!]

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the collectors will want restored stock....not converted...changed....restored.....ect.
plus......unless a pro restores it, you are gonna see it.

we are still in the same boat we were before the pics.

same decisions apply

 

[smokeonthewater]

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IMHO it's actually worse with this new info.... The O/P no longer has the option of simply putting in a solid transom..... NOW we need to determine what is required to make to make the rest of the modification sound.... there has been a lot of cutting and glassing done by someone who apparently didn't have the skills to do so. No telling what has been cut out and how this was built back by the previous owner

This boat was awkward at best when new and has been basically ruined for any collector value

"They only made 60 of them".... looking at the pics, I can see why.... they tried

I can also see WHY the previous owner wanted to change it.... Sadly he didn't know how to to it....

 

[Maclin]

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Good catch chris .

After I saw your posts at first I thought, yeah, put it back like it was and the mythical boating spirits will be happy! and a cool boat could have dignity restored. But the guy who made the mods to that boat had to add hull surface also? Then I began to wonder all over again WHY the mods were ever made :facepalm:.

The neat part of the original design is extended planing surfaces. I am sure there are negatives for that design too.

But now, wow, there are even more changes to the hull to consider that probably will never be right (whatever "right" is at this point). Bilge draining, balance/center of gravity, no real splashwell. Sigh.

 

[chriscraft254]

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Man, tough crowd here! I wasn't suggesting this boat would be worth a fortune. What I was suggesting is it should be set-up back to what it was. The hull was designed for it to be set-up with the motor set in 2 ft. I bet if you started tearing this down, it would be easy to find where the added on fiberglass stopped and started.

Imo, it would be better to put it back the way it was designed than try and modify it like someone has already attempted! The motor on the original set-up did not look low in relation to the hull. The hull is going to be a little higher the farther forward you go anyway.

Yes, there are alot of limited production boats, but not many with that set-up for sure. I think it was a unique boat and looked good in its time. The boat I'm guessing was changed, because some fisherman wanted more room in the back to fish. There is quite a following of old Chris Craft Lancers. They were really good designed hulls and well built. This was a perfect lake boat.
It is a shame that this boat was changed/butchered.

 

[ezmobee]

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Myself, I'd be hard pressed to iunvest the time to cut it up for salvage.

Seriously. This thing is a disaster. Guy bought a motor and a trailer, go find a decent hull.

 

[smokeonthewater]

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I bet I know where he could trade it for a 14' chrysler

 

[Maclin]

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I bet I know where he could trade it for a 14' chrysler

Dude, that's just wrong...