Paul O'Neil

Ralph 123

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Hey PW a Pax Americana is a lot better than a PW Pax Canadanna or Pax Iraqicanna or a Pax Francocanna or a Pax Iranacanna or a Pax UNacanna... woohoo!
 

Carphunter

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Alright, were did you guys get the pics of my sister!!!! :mad: <br /><br />You shoulda seen her before weight watchers! :p <br /><br />You guys are killin me on this one. :D <br /><br />Man, I would just once like to see 'ol Plywoody make one joke, he sure seems stiff as a board...................get it? ......Plywoody, stiff as a board. <br />Man, that ain't funny at all is it?<br /><br />I thought I was startin my stand-up comedy routine,....... til I realized I was sittin down. :p <br /><br />Plywoody, you are absolutely right, we were lied to,....... nearly every word that Saddam has ever spoken to us has been a lie. If you STILL can't understand the reasons for invading Iraq, then I feel sorry for you. You will never "get it". <br />The libs with their conspiracy theories is enough to make me sick.<br /><br />Toad2001,
Hey relax guys, I love Bush too, just a different type then you all seem to.
Yep your right, now we can all relax. Just like you were told in High school, "Those who talk the most, are gettin the least". Remember that.
 

KennyKenCan

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Carpy,<br /><br />Which one is your sister, Monica, or the iboats beauty queen? LoL :D <br /><br />(Don't take offense, just trying to be funny.)
 

Elmer Fudge

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Look, you can call it pax americana or pax whatever,the fact is we are the king of the hill, and that did not happen because the other nations and countries of this planet voted for us to be in this position.America is envied by the rest of the world,if given the chance, even some our so called allies would like to see nothing better than our down fall,a few have been caught spying on us in the past.It's the duty of our elected leaders to protect and uphold the freedoms, traditions,values and institutions of this great country,and in order to do so, if we have to withold some information from the general public so we can rightly kick a little arse every now and then, so be it.Saddam was nothing but a scum bag,good riddance to him and his ilk.
 

Toad2001

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Kenny,<br /><br />I sincerely do respect your service. <br />I also hate to see GI's die every day because of this war to settle old scores. There weren't massive stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. Thats the bottom line. Everything ladyfish quoted from various Senators and leaders (apart from his intent) turned out to be false. Its a shame anyone had to die for this cause, and the huge financial deficit to follow.<br /><br />I think thats what PW's trying to sum up too.<br /><br />Carp, you didn't like my Bush joke? ;-)
 

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Toad,<br /><br />Sometimes you do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Even if the intentions are well intended. FYI, nobody knows anyones personal motives, they can only speculate.<br /><br />We all hate the loss of life that is occuring in the sand, but in the long run, considering the mass graves and citizens running around without hands, fingers, legs, arms for no reason other than the hate and spite of a dictator, what was worse doing nothing or doing the right thing under the guise of a poor sales job. By the way the enlightened countries of France, Germany and Russia were willing to allow torture to continue and terrorism to florish simply to line their pockets with blood money.<br /><br />Motives aside, we are doing the right thing for the long term security of our country and the world. Being the heavy while doing the moral thing, shows charactor and a leader not driven by polls. <br /><br />I don't like alot of things GW does but I feel he makes his decisions based on more than the pulse of the unlightened, and the morally challenged.
 

Toad2001

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I totally agree it is the right thing to do, its just the timing is bad.<br /><br />Afghanistan is where the focus should have been.<br /><br />Saudi Arabia too...Indonesia, etc etc. tens of thousands of resources are needed all over the world to track the Al Queda nut which needs to be cracked ASAP. Nobody feels free with an amber alert flag flying high. They'll continue until that hunt is better dealt with, and spending time in Iraq has been an unquestionable distraction.<br /><br />No question Saddam was a badass tyrant who ultimately needed to be removed. But the fact remains, he was a badass tyrant who was handcuffed and isolated for all intents from the world, and could have waited until priority #1 was dealt with.<br /><br />Usama will probably be on tonights news with a new tape. Just me thinking out loud here, but if I was Bush, thats where all my resources would be going since Sept 12 2001.
 

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I'd like to see WMD's found just to prove that it wouldn't make a difference to ply and toad anyhow.<br /><br />It's more where your core beliefs are. And if you are a citizen of a Socialist Country and/or a diehard Clinton supporter. It's not going to be in them to be positive or open to the values they don't believe in anyhow.<br /><br />I'm reminded of the negative attitudes of people who always enjoy being the bearer of bad news.<br />Always glad to point out the negative while never pointing out the positive.<br />In fact will ignore, discount or subvert the positive. :rolleyes: <br /><br />Sounds like a Democratic Presidential debate doesn't it? :D
 

Ralph 123

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Skinnywater - you may get your wish very soon. A high ranking member of the Syrian Intelligence agency just did an interview with (I think) a European news agency and told them Saddam transfered the weapons to Syria just before the war. He named the 3 places they are. One is a city with ancient tunnels. I forget the other 2.<br /><br />Politically, Bush rather wait until the Dems settle on Dean before he finds any WMDs.
 

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The question has always been, was Saddam a threat to the US or our allies? The answer is, at the time of war, no.<br />You can speculate all you want, but the reality was that even if he had WMD's, he had no way to deliver them. He was in a box--All of the quotes Ladyfish posted were good reasons to impose sanctions on Iraq, good reasons to force the inspectors back in, good reasons to keep the pressure on him, while we went after the true threat to the US, namely Osama and alqada and other terrorist groups around the world.<br /><br />Even that noted left wing institution, the Army War college, published a paper suggesting that invading Iraq stretched our military too thin, was poorly planned, with unrealistic goals.<br /><br />The reality in Afghanistan currently reflects this, in that the warlords have virtually retaken the country, drug revenues are rampant, and there is no semblance of control there.<br /><br />And while you may think that somehow conquerring Iraq is making us safer, but the reality is the next huge crisis the US will face, excluding North Korea, will be in Pakistan--if Sharif loses power--and there has been several assassination attempts recently, Pakistan is going to be a huge problem for the US that will have been solidified by our actions in Iraq, and they do have WMD's, including nuclear and the capability to deliver them--All likely to fall into terrorist's hands--with the support of the Pakistani military and people.<br /><br />And unlike Saddam, that is something that is truly a situation to worry about.<br /><br />Oh, and I joke all the time. When there is a reason to joke. This ain't it!
 

POINTER94

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Pw'y,<br /><br />If things were different they wouldn't be the same, on that we can agree.<br /><br />I thought you said speculation was a waste of time. The war was just and if not immediately necessary it was the right thing to do. You can red herring all countries in the middle east but this was a war that was going to happen eventually.<br /><br />Anyone at the war college will agree that taking over the country the size and strength of Iraq, with the losses we incurred was a huge success.
 

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Toad2001,<br /><br />My only answer to you is not to expect what you want to happen to happen overnight.<br /><br />Everyday we are uncovering dicoveries of illicit weapons and more and more mass graves.<br /><br />Trust me, in time, we will find the WMD's, but it takes time, and there cannot be a limit as to when.<br /><br />By the way, Blister Agents don't deteriate over time, they become even more lethal, and are more deadly than if brand new, and we found them, which according to the Geneva Convention, IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, no matter how old it is!<br /><br />Just look at Japan after WWII, we found their secret aircraft program 2 years after the war was over, where they were developing long range jet bombers to attack the American west coast!<br /><br />No one outside of Japan even knew, not even Germany!<br /><br />I really think that alot of you need to take a chill pill and relax, these things don't happen overnight and could take years to find the WMD's, but they will be found.<br /><br />It's a known fact that Saddam has WMD's, and it's a known fact that there is NO EVIDENCE that they were destroyed.<br /><br />Saddam has either buried them very deep, to use another day, or, worst case senario, he was already successful in distributing them to his terrorist allies.<br /><br />Please stop jumping to conclusions, that in no way shape or form, can be concluded at this time.
 

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Toad, I loved your joke, just thought it was gonna get poofed. ;) <br /><br />Kenny, Luckily, I don't have a sister. :p <br /><br />Lets see Plywoody, where to start. I told myself that I would not get drawn in to these threads anymore, but with some of the comments you make, I feel I must.<br />The violations by Iraq to the cival world have been listed here repeatedly, so I will not list them again. Iraq constantly tried to defy the U.N. and everything that it stands for. They have proven that if they have weapons of mass destruction, that they will use them, or have you forgotten the gas attack on their own kind. Saddam was asked to comply with the U.N., which he refused to do. A simple question was asked, show us proof that you destroyed all of your weapons of mass destruction, they did not. It is confirmed that there were weapons of mass destruction left over from the Iran/Iraq war also.<br />All of the above, plus look at Ladyfishes post, plus look at Ralphs post, plus look at Kenny's post.........was more than enough to send troops to Iraq, and remove Saddam and his regime from power. Anything less than removing him from power would be unacceptable. Plus a message was sent to all of these other scum of the Earth countries.............. the United States is no longer being operated by a bunch of spineless liberal Democrats. If you are a danger to the United States and her allies, you will be dealt with accordingly. After 9/11, we better be thinking this way!<br /><br />Now, as for your comments. In your hatred for Bush, you continually post things that seem to me to be very un-American. I think you should fly to Iraq, and make your comments to the faces of all of these young men and women who are busting their butts for your freedoms. Easy to criticize when your sitting in a nice warm office dealing in plywood products. I would be willing to bet that every American soldier in Iraq believes in what they are fighting for. <br />Did you not learn the hard lessons from the Vietnam war? We support are troops and our leaders during these hard times! Our soldiers should never again be treated as they were after the Vietnam war!<br /><br />Your comments are a slap in the face to all of these troops fighting for a purpose that you obviously do not understand.........Shame on you........Shame on you.<br /><br />Good thing we didn't have too many Plywoodys during WWII, 'cause we would all be speaking German now.<br /><br />We need more Bushes and Pattons, not more Clintons and Gores.<br /><br />......and I do believe that you are only a troll, looking to stir up a response. I will not give your comments serious thought from this point forward.<br /><br />Have a fine day everyone. :)
 

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PW,<br /> Its funny how people forget. In WWI, WWII, Korean, and Veitnam, there was more people killed per day then this has been in this Iraq war. I get so tired of hearing another soldier was killed in Iraq. There was hundreds and thousands kill per day in the other wars.<br /> Then you say the US did not have enough troops to have this war. I wonder why, maybe its because of your Ex Pres Clinton, he is the one that closed down alot of the bases, and yes that was Clinton!<br /> Then there is O'neil saying that GWB, already had plans to go to war with Iraq, that might be true, but tell me with 100% facts, that no other Pres has not had any type of plans to go to war with any other country, in the past. I will almost bet they have.<br /> Then you say the US should be going after the terrorists. Seems funny Saddam is an terrorist, he has payed people to kill Americans, if that is not a terrorist, then what is one then!<br /> Then you talk about the WMDs, we gave him too much time to get them out of Iraq! I would not doubt if some of them are not burried in the dessert. But we listened to the almighty UN, and gave him enough time to get them out, just like the UN wanted for him to do.<br /><br />Thanks for my rant!<br /><br />CatCruzer
 

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Ply and Toad both do the same thing in my opinion. They start with an false premise and build from there. Our soldiers are there to confront this Middle Eastern threat. It wont stop there. Concluding that our soldiers are dying in vain should not be done without very carefull analysis, and most of us think the evidence put forth by you is weak at best. By the same token, going to war should only be undertaken with the same seriousness. 911 brought home our vulnerability. We are still at grave risk. What we are doing now I think is too little too late, but better late than never. How can you argue with that, and most perplexing, why would you want to? The answer to that last question may bring ya'll home again though I won't leave the light on since I already know that you think I am the one that can't see the forest for the trees.
 

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Toad
. Everything ladyfish quoted from various Senators and leaders (apart from his intent) turned out to be false.
We cant call people who lie on this forum names, but we can describe their behavor....dishonest! :cool: <br /><br />P.S. And I dont mean LF. ;)
 
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