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[merit131]

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I have a I/O OMC Cobra, V-8 don't know the size of the engine, out drive says 5.0L. Tried starting my engine and it sounded like the bendix was not jumping, it was catching once in awhile then stopped all together, just hear the starter motor spinning, but not ingauging w/ the flywheel. So I purchased a new starter. This starter and the one I removed only has one elect terimal hook up, which is positive (red). So how does this starter work w/ only one electical termanal attached? The new starter is in, but I have the same problem, bendix is not jumping out, I just hear the starter motor spinning. Can anyone give me some advise on this starter. Thank you. Jack

 

[Bondo]

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Ayuh,.... Welcome Aboard,... What Vintage,..?? is the distributer in the front, or back of the motor,..??

 

[merit131]

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yes, it's good to be aboard the boat is a 1989 210 Four Winns, w/ the distributer in the front of the engine. Thanks

 

[Lyle29464]

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Your starter is getting it's ground where it is bolted to the engine block. Your battery is too low to spin the starter fast enough to engage the flywheel or you have some poor wires or connections. Have the battery tested ( free at most auto parts stores) clean all cables coming from the battery. Let us know If you need the next step.

 

[merit131]

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I understand, I will clean all connections and check out battery. Will let you know outcome tomorrow. Thank you, Jack

 

[merit131]

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Ok need next step. I found the solenoid switch , it had it’s back to me, lol. I feel so stupid, I thought the starter had a solenoid attached, like on most starters. Then when I pulled it and it only had one pos terminal, it throw me for a loop, just never saw one like this. When I pulled old starter, did not see solenoid at the top of the motor, I’m glad it didn’t have teeth, it would’ve bit my nose off, lol. Anyway I think that’s the next move, is to remove the old and reinstall the new solenoid. Look forward to next step. Jack

 

[perna00]

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Marit; I see you have the same exact engine as mine (5.0 OMC/Ford). I live in Richmond Hill. Let me know if you ever need help with anything. I just tore mine down to the block and am rebuilding it.

 

[merit131]

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That is very nice of you, I hope this starter will do the trick. But if it comes to that , I will be back to chat and get some good advise. Good luck w/ your rebuilding, should be sweet when done. jack

 

[vi]

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If your starter is bad either get yours rebuilt or make sure you don't put in one of the newer gear reduction ones, they get hung up on the ring gear constantly, and I don't think they are marine approved even if your told it is. Ask for it in writing. hope fully it is dirty connections or the solenoid, I cover all the connections with dielectric grease and haven't had any corrosion issues since, moved from the Oregon coast tho.http://forums.iboats.com/images/icons/icon12.png

 

[merit131]

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Very frustrating, put in a new starter and solenoid, and still nothing. When I hooked everything up and turned the key, the starter did jump out and engaged the flywheel, but like the battery was dead, just a very little wined. Then I tried again (turned the key) and even less this time, the third time nothing, not even a click. So I have no Idea what to do next, check all wires and connections I guess. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 

[cr2k]

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Battery is weak it sounds like. The solenoid is where the power comes from when you hit the start. The power energizes the starter and the magnetic field pulls the metal slug (under the bump on the starter) in to the field and also moves the bendix to the flywheel.

BTW it's a ford based 302.

 

[merit131]

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Still have the same problem, battery was tested and is good. Turn key, nothing. I think I got a bad solenoid, yes it's new, but I can't think of anything other then the soleniod being bad. I will test the two small wires going to the soleniod, maybe I put them back on wrong. I and S, don't know what eles to do.

 

[Autowizzard]

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sounds to me like you have a bad ground or cable problem, DO you own a voltmeter? you can buy one for under 10 at most auto parts stores, Easiest way to continue is to measure voltage, I can make it simple to learn if needed

 

[Jason89sunbird]

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Check voltage drops

 

[Brian6060]

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My boat was doing something very similar.
Just clicking and every once in a while a turn but barely.
I had a new battery so I know it wasnt that.

It ended up being completely fixed when I changed the red battery cable.
It was the first thing I tried and it worked.
I got a red and black one from autozone for like 10 bucks a piece.
They were like 24 or 30 inches long and worth every penny.

I later changed the black one after I immediately took it to the lake and went wild and it was even better

 

[merit131]

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I will try voltmeter and change battery cables. I will let you know how I made out, Thanks again.

 

[merit131]

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Positive cables changed, still won't start, Ground cable tomorrow. then we'll see. if still won't start, I will put meter on the soleniod small wires as I turn the key to see if power is going to I and S on soleniod.

After that, I have no idea... maybe get a new soleniod... any surggestions, feel free...

 

[merit131]

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I may have found the problem of why the boat starter will not work. "Emergency Kill Switch" After new starter and soleniod and new battery cables were installed. (needed them anyway) I got busy w/ my ampmeter. Checked the Ignition switch, all looked good. Kill switch ok. (Under Dash) Went to engine compartment and checked soleniod. Small wire, "start" was ok when I had a friend turn the key. Other small wire "Ignition" Nothing. So I went back to under the dash trying to trace this ignition wire from the key, when I saw the "Emergency Kill Switch" so I pulled off the two wires at the rear of this switch and it did not work w/ my meter. (Pull cord was installed on front w/ clip.) So I think this is the culprit, I will go and buy a new one tomorrow and we'll see, or I will jump these two wires first and make sure this is it. Started to rain tonight, so will complete this tomorrow. I'll let you all know outcome.

 

[merit131]

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Well, here I am again looking for an answer. I thought it was the emergency cut off switch, but I was wrong. I looked for a new switch today, but could not find the same kind w/ two terminals at the rear, so I made a jumper, turned the key and still had the same problem, nothing. The starter would not do anything. NO click, nothing same as before. (Checked emergency cut off switch and it is bad)

One thing I did find out was, when I put my test light on the “I” Ignition lead of the solenoid their was no light when I had someone turn the key to Ignition. I did get a light on the “S” Start lead when they turned the key to start.

So here I am again back to square one. It appears to be a problem from the key to the solenoid. I checked all fuses, they are fine as well, at the dash and off the solenoid at the rear, (Two 50amp fuses).

I don’t know what else to do, so I will install a new wire from the key ‘I‘, back to the “I” solenoid , and see what happens. I believe the natural safety switch (nss) is in line w/ the start “S” wire and not the “I” wire. So it can’t be the nss.

Any new ideas would help.

 

[merit131]

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Yes I am still trying to get this puppy started, I have gone though the entire electrical system and I still can’t believe it won't start. Can anyone tell me what this ESA Module does and would it prevent the engine from starting. This ESA Module also has two switches coming off it, a Overstroke switch and a Interruto switch. Can anyone tell me would these two switches prevent this engine from starting? Thanks Jack