Separation of church and state?

[treedancer]

This topic came up on another thread not wanting to hijack that thread and seemed worthy of a thread of its own here it is.<br /><br /> What are you feelings about the separation of church and state? Do you think that the church should be trying to dictate to the people of there flock how they should vote? <br /><br /> That happened in the St.Louis area in the last election and I think it has happened in other areas as well. I can hear the thoughts coming in now. Well I guess this is another liberal rant well no its not. I believe that abortion is wrong and if there was a liberal litmus test I would come out mostly conservative on social issues.<br /><br /> I also believe that there are some church leaders that think that there church is the only right one.Kinda what the Talaban in Afghanistan thought.Religion is good as long as it is my religion.So what are your thoughts on this issue?

 

[bootle]

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"What are you feelings about the separation of church and state? Do you think that the church should be trying to dictate to the people of there flock how they should vote?"<br /><br />If a church engaged in such behaviour, it is my belief that the said church should lose its tax exemption status.<br />Having said that, let me also add that my beliefs are not the law of the land.

 

[Kwas]

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Darth<br /><br />Your belief IS the law of the land. Churchs are prohibited from engaging in politics or they may loose their tax-exempt status. Our government has been turning a blind eye to the likes of Jessie Jackass and Calypso Louie but had gone after others whom have told their followers who to vote for.

 

[DJ]

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If a church engaged in such behaviour, it is my belief that the said church should lose its tax exemption status.<br />Having said that, let me also add that my beliefs are not the law of the land. <br />

The whole notion of "Seperation of Church and State" is NOT in the Constitution. Don't believe it, LOOK IT UP!<br /><br /><br />The Dem's/Liberals seem to get a "pass" on this whole issue. Hillary's latest tirade is a perfect example, among others. The media (95% liberal, by own admission) plays along to the ignorance of the American populace.<br /><br />Whether one is a believer, or not. One cannot ignore the belief system the Founding Fathers held.<br /><br />I find history so fascinating. There is really NOTHING new when it comes to human behavior.<br /><br />The real issue is is that many humans just blindly fall into a "politically accepted" behavior not thinking of the consequences.<br /><br />But, "thinking" will soon be banned.

 

[JB]

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Religion is the root of our civilization. Religious morals are the root of the laws of our civilization.<br /><br />"Religion" does not mean Christianity any more than it means Islam or Judaism. . . or Shintoism, etc., etc.<br /><br />Our founders recognized that the abuse of power by the Church of England had driven many to our shores. To prevent abuse of power by any particular form of religion, dominant or not, they forbade Congress to make any laws regarding the establishment of a state religion.<br /><br />The phrase, "seperation of church and state" came from private correspondence of Thos. Jefferson. It is not a phrase in law.<br /><br />Many feel that over the years the dominance of Christianity in this country has allowed abuses of that power in government sanctioned activities. They view these "abuses" as violation of the Constitutional intent.<br /><br />Others feel that Christianity is, de facto, our national religion, whether written into law or not.<br /><br />As to the private person: I believe that the Constitution frees me to practice, or to forgo, my personal religion, and to be free from laws or government sponsored activities that promote any religion whatsoever.

 

[KaGee]

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Heck DJ... we can't get these kids to read and write... you want them to know history too?? <br />Go figure!

 

[DJ]

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JB,<br /><br />You are correct, in your interpretation.<br /><br />Finally, someone that recognizes the truth about the "seperation" issue.<br /><br />There is, however, no doubt about how the Founders perceived this nation. Whether one follows that, or not, their choice. That's the reral beauty of it.

 

[QC]

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I'm with DJ and JB,<br /><br />Honestly I don't really care what each individual church does as far as their vote recommendations. That's what the IRS is for . . . I do care if you want to remove the 10 Commandments from public display as they are at the root of all of our laws as JB has noted. What I don't want us separated from is our history. It is a fact that this country's values were formed by Judaeo-Chiristian teachings, sorry if that offends anyone, but it happens to be true.<br /><br />I also care if you try and erase all religious references from our culture. Some think that Christmas should not be a national holiday, some think that a tiny cross on the Los Angeles County seal should be removed despite the fact that it represents the Catholic Missions that dominated this state for 300 years. Does anybody understand that this IS what happened in the USSR? St. Petersburg became Leningrad. So let's start down the US renaming list . . . hmmmmm . . . St. Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San or St. Anywhere USA has to go . . . And anyone who thinks this is silly is simply not paying attention, the L.A. County seal has been modified. Gone is the historical reference . . . rewrite, didn't happen.

 

[NMplayer]

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I figure that the original intent of separation was to protect the church from the state. Nowadays it seems like its being applied backwards.

 

[DJ]

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I figure that the original intent of separation was to protect the church from the state. Nowadays it seems like its being applied backwards. <br />

That's your opinion, you are entitled to it. However, make it known that one particular party seems to be on the offense with one mission-destroy. That party is the Dem. one. If one believes in a higher power, their power evaporates.<br /><br />We, Christians know we will be ostracized, criticized and persecuted. It is written. And, it's all coming true. We're ready.

 

[treedancer]

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Honestly I don't really care what each individual church does as far as their vote recommendations

QC agree with most of your message. But what if the leader of the flock considered it a mortal sin on anyone that voted for a politician that the church didn’t agree with? <br /><br /> Also everybody lets try to keep this non political please

 

[DJ]

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QC agree with most of your message. But what if the leader of the flock considered it a mortal sin on anyone that voted for a politician that the church didn’t agree with? <br />

Not an issue, WE don't make it one, like you.<br /><br />

Also everybody lets try to keep this non political please <br />

Ha! He he, ho ho. It's political by nature. It's not supposed to be, but the liberals invaded the conservative camp by threatening, blocking and critiscizing.

 

[txswinner]

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The church and state issue is indeed clear but the biased opines of some that it is being abused by the likes of Jesse Jackson should also place close attention to some from the far right in particular His Ignorance Pat Robertson. No one in the history of this country has hid behind the separation issue more than him while exploiting tax free money on government issues.

 

[treedancer]

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Common Dj you can do it I have faith in ya just take a big breath now let it out real slow see that wasn’t so hard was it? Remember one long minute at a time I got faith in ya big guy.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by treedancer:<br /> But what if the leader of the flock considered it a mortal sin on anyone that voted for a politician that the church didn’t agree with?

Someone calls the IRS and the church loses its tax exempt status? Not saying the the IRS is efficient and would get it done, that is another topic. Fact is, that behavior is illegal for a tax exempt organization, right?

 

[txswinner]

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Heck ole "right wing conservative" Pat wanted to be President so we could all follow his religion. He continues to this day to spew his ignorance to this very day. What an idiot to blame a stroke on Sharon giving up part of the holy land.<br /><br />Pat Robertson's action should make everyone want to be a liberal.

 

[QC]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> Pat Robertson's action should make everyone want to be a liberal.

Huh? Non-sequitur? Pat Robertson's actions make me happy I am not Pat Robertson . . .

 

[txswinner]

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What DJ, JB, QC, Kalian, no one wants to run in a support the "Conservative Right Wing" religious zealot Pat Robertson. No, me either.

 

[treedancer]

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QC This is a cut and paste from a interview with the current archbishop of St.Louis.<br /> Guess maybe better get on the phone and tell the IRS to contact Rome about there tax exempt status. <br /><br /><br />Archbishop Raymond Burke started a controversy when, in January of this year, he issued a pastoral letter and a notification in the Diocese of La Crosse (Wisconsin) telling pro-abortion politicians there they could not receive Communion if they did not publicly recant their position. That was when he was the bishop of La Crosse. <br />When he was transferred to St. Louis, he made headlines when he said that he would deny Communion to Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) if Kerry were to campaign within Burke's archdiocese.<br />The controversy has carried on through the year because of the presidential campaign and because Burke and others have also talked about voters who vote for pro-abortion candidates.<br />On October 1, the Memorial of St. Therese of Liseux, the archbishop issued a pastoral letter to the flock of his archdiocese giving them Catholic teaching on the key issues of the day to keep in mind when they go to the voting booth this November. In an exclusive interview, Archbishop Burke talks with Inside the Vatican about his letter, voting, politicians and his relationship with other bishops.

 

[DJ]

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Heck ole "right wing conservative" Pat wanted to be President so we could all follow his religion. He continues to this day to spew his ignorance to this very day.

TXS, And he DID NOT win did he? That's called an ELECTION.<br /><br />

What an idiot to blame a stroke on Sharon giving up part of the holy land.<br />

Agreed.<br /><br />

Common Dj you can do it I have faith in ya just take a big breath now let it out real slow see that wasn’t so hard was it? Remember one long minute at a time I got faith in ya big guy. <br />

Not sure how to read that one. I'm pretty sure it's a slam.