sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

brokeboater

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

Just what you have but check the spark first. If you torqued it correcty it shouldn't have sheared. Put a screw driver in # 1 cyl and bring it to tdc. At that time check the timing marks on the flywheel with the timing pointer on the block. If they're off, the flywheel key is sheared.

using the the top starboard cyl (which i take to be #1) looks to be at tdc like it should.

i can only see where one or two cylinders have got fire. battery is good and hot and spinning the motor good. the rest appear dead.
 

jere1972

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

I would Double Check all connections make sure they are correct, make sure timer base connectors are plugged into the correct side of the pack, make sure ignition coil wires are on the correct coil, orange/Blue's on top, orange's on middle, orange/green's on bottom, you can't rely on the length of these wires as to where they go really sounds like a timing issue cyl firing out of order, take a resistance reading of your stator ignition charge coils 850-1000 ohms on 2 rear and 90-100 on 1 front, take those readings across the connector pins, You can find all these ignition troubleshooting tips from CDI ignitions website, tests should provide similar readings if using OEM components, the key is to test one thing at a time don't get caught caught up in the frustation, frustration can lead to ill-logical thought....run some tests, be precise, bring the info back to the Forum, most of these guys here can really help with the right info,,,,,they have help me numurous times
 

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

I would Double Check all connections make sure they are correct, make sure timer base connectors are plugged into the correct side of the pack, make sure ignition coil wires are on the correct coil, orange/Blue's on top, orange's on middle, orange/green's on bottom, you can't rely on the length of these wires as to where they go really sounds like a timing issue cyl firing out of order, take a resistance reading of your stator ignition charge coils 850-1000 ohms on 2 rear and 90-100 on 1 front, take those readings across the connector pins, You can find all these ignition troubleshooting tips from CDI ignitions website, tests should provide similar readings if using OEM components, the key is to test one thing at a time don't get caught caught up in the frustation, frustration can lead to ill-logical thought....run some tests, be precise, bring the info back to the Forum, most of these guys here can really help with the right info,,,,,they have help me numurous times

pulled the power pack back off this morning while checking after checking tdc info to verify all connectors were made. pretty sure the wiring coming from the pick up went back like it was. right side went to corresponding(right) and left to left side. didn't disconnect the stator, just maneuvered it over and out of way to remove the pick up. i did brush the rusty stuff off of the stator though.

seems i would have fire even though the timing may be off wouldn't it?
 

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

What cylinders are jumping the 7/16 " open air gap ?
 

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

What cylinders are jumping the 7/16 " open air gap ?

as best as i could tell 3 and 6. i had actually narrowed the gap some trying to get fire. i tried one of the testers that light up and it wouldn't light it either except on those cyls. didn't have much time to mess with it otherwise.

in the process of moving the stator around and since there was a pretty good amount of goop that had run out of it, is it possible something broke (wiring etc)?
 

jere1972

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

the goop from the stator is the potting material OMC used my guess was to help protect the coils from weather or moisture, my experience in the electronics world is anything potted never lasts, heat has a hard time escaping eventually causing component failure, in the stator ignition coils there are windings of enamal coated wire just like on the many charging coils of your stator, the ignition coils are potted however "to protect them" and they can hold in tremendous amounts of heat that cannot be disappated, over time the molecular structure of the potting material breaks down and just turns too a sticky ooz because of the constant heating and over heating, and will forever now melt away, which does not mean the coils are bad but they have been heat stressed to the point that the enamal coating on the windings can now start breaking down causing those windings to short agaist each other lessening the resistance value "if they are not around 850-1000 ohms" they are done...You can check for broken wires through ohm checks of your stator coils from the connectors, look for that 850-1000 ohm value across the brown wires of each coil, and check the low voltage coil in the front aswell this one should be 90-100 ohms, I believe the pack uses this coil to generate the logic voltage for the internal components of the pack which is regulated and rectified in the pack but I'm guessing on that one. next you may have to use a peak reading digital volt meter or a analog meter but I would check the voltage output on your packs orange wires going to your ignition coils while cranking the engine over make sure your peak volts are in range, remember coils are like voltage multipliers low voltage higher current in, high voltage lower current out,voltage is the force behind the flow of current, you can have all the current avail in the world, but with minimal voltage to push it it goes nowhere, the coils take the 100-130volts from the pack turn it into a few thousand volts to drive the current across the spark plug gap towards ground, which would lead me to ask is the engine turning over fast enough to generate that intitial source voltage? just a note I changed my pack out to a CDI a while back, which has just died for some reason, but the 2 connectors that connected to the timer base were reversed on the CDI pack, I made the assumption that the connector assembly toward the right went to the leads that came from the right and left to left, because thats how the OEM pack seemed to be, I was wrong, she spuddered back fired choked and spit....swapped them and all was good, crappy CDI design I guess. sorry for the long wind, you and I have very similar motors so I'm very interested as to what you find!!!!! we all learn from each other here!
 

jere1972

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

on another note very odd having spark only on 3 and 6, 3 is from one side of pack and 6 is from the other I believe, if you got it on three it should be there for 1 and 5, its odd that the pack would only kill 2 cyl from each bank.
 

brokeboater

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

put this project on hold since its finally turned winter here. supposed to be 19 degrees tonight. maybe by this weekend it will have warmed up some and i can get back at it. meanwhile i have been studying the test procedures for the individual components. even found a recipe to make a DVA adapter........
 

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Re: sluggish on accell 200hp johnson

That DVA adapter will be your best friend when you start your trouble shooting, along with a good manual of course.
 
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