States Rights (Wymoming Cowboys) C&P

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States 1 The Feds - 0<br /><br />The power of localism<br /><br />County sheriffs in Wyoming have scored a big one for the 10th Amendment and states rights. The sheriffs slapped federal intrusion upside the head and are insisting that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office. Deja vu for those who remember big Richard Mack in Arizona. <br /><br />Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis spoke at a press conference following the recent U.S. District Court decision (Case No. 2:96-cv-099-J) and announced that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval. "If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or retain them in custody." <br /><br />The court decision was the result of a suit against both the BATF and the IRS by Mattis and other members of the Wyoming Sheriffs' Association. The suit in the Wyoming federal court district sought restoration of the protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution. <br /><br />Guess what? The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs. In fact, they stated, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official." Go back and re-read that quote. The court confirms and asserts, "the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers EXCEEDING that of any other state OR federal official." And you thought the 10th Amendment was dead and buried -- not in Wyoming, not yet. <br /><br />But it gets even better. Since the judge states the sheriff "has law enforcement powers EXCEEDING that of any other state OR federal official," the Wyoming sheriffs are flexing their muscles. They are demanding access to all BATF files. Why? So as to verify the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibits the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners. See, that would be wrong. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts. <br /><br />Gosh, it kinda makes you wish the sheriffs of whatever counties have Waco, Texas, and Oklahoma City in their jurisdictions were drinking the same water these Wyoming sheriffs are... <br /><br />Sheriff Mattis said, "I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law." Amen. <br /><br />However, the sad reality is that sheriffs are elected, and that means they are required to be both law enforcement managers and politicians. Unfortunately, Wyoming sheriffs are the exception rather than the rule ... but they shouldn't be. Sheriffs have enormous power, if or when they choose to use it. I share the hope of Sheriff Mattis that "more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens. ..." <br /><br />If Wyoming Sheriffs can follow in the steps of former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack and both recognize their power and authority, they could become champions for the memory of Thomas Jefferson who died "thinking" he had won those states' rights debates with Alexander Hamilton. <br /><br />This case is not some amusing mountain melodrama. This is a BIG deal. It is yet further evidence that the 10th Amendment is not yet totally dead, atrophied, or in complete decay in the United States. It is also significant in that it can/may, and hopefully will be interpreted to mean that "political subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and specifically prohibited to the States
 

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It is time someone took the Fed to task they countinually infring on the rigths of states and individuals<br /><br />Thank you Sheriff Dave Mattis
 

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I wonder if that is the way the warlords of Somalia got there start? :confused:
 
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Originally posted by heycods:<br /> States Rights (Wymoming Cowboys) C&P
What part of Mexico is Wymoming in? :D Talk about my dictionary. WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa
 

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Can you imagine if this decision was reached prior to the hurricane in New Orleans? Blanco took almost three days to reach a decision on whether to invite the feds in. Would she need to seek approval of the sheriff before sending in any federal agency? Seems the sheriff could supercede the powers of the governor based on this ruling. Interesting to see what would happen
 

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Originally posted by treedancer:<br /> I wonder if that is the way the warlords of Somalia got there start? :confused:
I must have missed the connection? :confused:
 

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I think its a great thing. I hate big government.
 

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Treedancer is right although not very clear.As long as the sheriff is a law abiding person there is no problem.The moment the sheriff becomes corrupt he will have a lot of power to misuse.
 

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Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Treedancer is right although not very clear.As long as the sheriff is a law abiding person there is no problem.The moment the sheriff becomes corrupt he will have a lot of power to misuse.
The same could be said for the BATF, FBI, IRS, etc.
 

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I must have missed the connection?
all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval. "
Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official
They are demanding access to all BATF files
Don’t you think that smacks of fiefdom? In other words don’t even think of coming into my kingdom unless I give the approval. And if several sheriffs had the same idea instant Somalia. <br /><br />Somalia has no recognized central government authority nor any other feature associated with an established nation state. De facto authority resides in the hands of the governments for the unrecognized entities of Somaliland and Puntland, and with other rival warlords.<br /><br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia
 

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Originally posted by RubberFrog:<br />
Originally posted by rolmops:<br /> Treedancer is right although not very clear.As long as the sheriff is a law abiding person there is no problem.The moment the sheriff becomes corrupt he will have a lot of power to misuse.
The same could be said for the BATF, FBI, IRS, etc.
Very true.The difference is that the local sherif is at the top of the food chain ,often without any checks or balances.Government agencies have far more internal control and always somebody above them.
 

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BAAAA BAAAA BAAAAA BAAAAA. <br /><br /><br />Whats that treedancer and rolmops ? I dont speak sheep.<br /><br />Lets let the feds do everything for us. Hey, Im out of toilet paper. Maybe they could come and wipe my *** for me.
 

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Fiefdoms? didnt/doesnt king Goerge have/want them.<br /> more power to the sheffifs.<br /> I am also watching some of the developments in rhode Island and some other northeastern states currently in a battle for states rights.<br /> we will see.<br />so far in the feds I see a lot of checks and not much balances.
 

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The checks and balances are there on the local level also fellas, the shierff can be removed by the constable, the county comissioners have a say over what the shierff can do, as can the county Judge can get involved also. We ellect these people. It puts controll of the local problems under controll of the local people. This i have begged for for years. I dont think local problems are handled well by beauricrats 2000miles away. Catrina is a good example, nagin didnt handle it well, then Blanco droped the ball, and the feds were lost. You start by hireing (ellecting) competent local people.
 

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Don’t you think that smacks of fiefdom?
Not at All.......<br /><br />I see it as Law as written in Our Constitution ............. :rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by Bondo:<br />
Don’t you think that smacks of fiefdom?
Not at All.......<br /><br />I see it as Law as written in Our Constitution ............. :rolleyes:
Which has been ammended many times over time. :D
 

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Treedancer and Rollmops, I think we have much more to fear from federal agents than local sheriffs as far as rights violations. If the sheriff gets to carried away there are always the state troopers or national guard that are both controled by the states governor. I myself would welcome some local sheriff telling the feds to mind their own business. As far as checks and balances I don't see where that came into effect in Waco or for Randy Weaver in Idaho.
 

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The Bill of Rights: A Transcription<br /><br />Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."<br />Amendment IV<br /> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.<br /><br /> I guess in bondo land only the county sheriff has the right to a search warrant. After all they are only government BATF agentsthat are asking permission, and we elected this good old boy our sheriff and by golly he has three more years left on his term. after all they didn't even ask permission to come into our county. Who the hell do they think they are?<br /><br /> <br /> I guess that I was wrong when I stated that it resembled Somalia and it has no has no recognized central government authority nor any other feature associated with an established state. whoopee we have the county sheriff . <br /><br /><br /> <br />
cpj said.
BAAAA BAAAA BAAAAA BAAAAA.<br /> (brillent statement)<br /><br />rottenray6402 said<br /><br />
I don't see where that came into effect in Waco or for Randy Weaver in Idaho.
good point Ray.<br /><br />would that have changed any if the locals were in charge I don't know, but your right it could not have been handled any worse.
 

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I don't think anyone is advocating letting some big bellied Red Neck sheriff trample all over anyones rights, I think the point is that a local sheriff who is a friend, neighbor, and relative has a much better idea of how to handle a local situation than a bunch of jack booted thugs with automatic weapons. Maybe I've watched to many Andy Griffith reruns! All I know is when I was young growing up we had respect and fear for our local sheriff but on the other hand he had logic and a certain amount of compassion in enforcing the law.
 
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