Stay the Course

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

They have no plan, but have people like you believing otherwise.

You just assume that as I said my plan is to support My Government and our Troops. What else can I do besides whine and complain like the you Libs?

 

[CJY]

Re: Stay the Course

For someone that talks a great deal, you say little.


"What else can I do besides whine and complain like the you Libs?"

That has to be one of the most worthless statements I have ever read.

 

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

Why? Because it hits a little close to home?

 

[CJY]

Re: Stay the Course

How is that an assumption, if you said it? Are you telling me you support W, but don't believe he has a plan?

Like I said, you talk alot.

 

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

When you have something to say, I'll listen. Until then, take your personal attacks and stuff them where the sun don't shine.

 

[CJY]

Re: Stay the Course

No, you won't listen, you will only talk.

I have made zero personal attacks. Show me something personal?

Usually when people have dug themselves into a hole, they stop digging. Not you, you dig faster. Then when you realize the size of the hole, you begin saying your opponent has nothing of worth to say. This is not the first time you have pulled that tactic. With as much talking as you do, if they have not already, they will soon also figure out you speak for the sole purpose of hearing yourself speak.

By the way, you should "get a thicker skin." It's easier than getting upset. Hmmm, where have I heard that one before?

 

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

 

[oddjob]

Re: Stay the Course

8)

 

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

Reminds me of the guy who says he never talks bad about his low life, round heeled ex wife. 8)

 

[Drybo]

Re: Stay the Course

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Enter private whisper here CJY, this crunch idiot doesn't know when to shut up. I agree with you 100%. I notice he always keeps replying like a spoiled kid (or rehublican hack) anyway give em hell.Thanks.

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[Speedwagon]

Re: Stay the Course

My "enjoying yourselves" comment had nothing to do with Iraq, only the list of posters to your thread. With that said, as we all like to divert by asking questions, I have tried this a couple of times with no answer. If you had an Iraq wish, would you put Saddam Hussein back in power? He kept the sectarian violence down. It seems that is your biggest concern. Or is it US lives? Or is it US Imperialist ambitions? What in a nut shell is your biotch with Iraq? How we wage it, or if we wage it? If it is if, then you should get over it, because as I often like to say "there ain't no stinkin' rewind button".

If it is how we wage it, well OK, it would be nice if they were not trying to kill eachother and our troops too. The fact is we are there and we are a police force until it is safe enough to give control 100% to the Iraqis. Maybe you think we should just leave and let them kill each other and let them merge with Iran? I am not sure how letting them kill each other is a whole lot different than dropping a nuke on them, we know it will be complete murder, mahem etc., which all of us with a morsel of sanity agree is bad . . .

Of course, I would not have gone in in the first place, so I'd have to say that I did not consider Saddam a particular threat.
Would I dust him off, say we're sorry, and return him to power? Of course not.

And no, I don't have a simple answer to this. Malaki and his bunch are already aligning themselves with Iran, and he even forced us to let one of captured Sadr Militia death squad leaders loose.

We *have* to find a political solution to this, get our soldiers off the role as target, and get the regional players involved politically somehow. That includes Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Turkey, snd others.

It won't be easy to do. The pending result is an all out regional power struggle and war, or Sadr taking over Iraq, which may be worse.

We are not in a position to fix this on our own, and if we have to withdraw to get others involved, that is what we need to do.

I think it's funny you mention getting other in the region involved in Iraq... since that's EXACTLY what Bush is doing with North Korea, and being criticized FOR DOING IT! People keep complaining that he's not talking to N.K. one on one!

And I doubt "Stay the course" ever really meant keep doing everything the same, no matter what. Only a fool would think that, and seriously, Bush isn't a fool. He DID graduate Harvard business school, and that's not a walk in the park. (Money gets you in, it doesn't get you out).

As I understand it, stay the course means to finish what has been started. To get Iraq up and running on it's own. That is all, nothing more(in that statement). And since we are there, I fully support staying there until things are better. That doesn't mean I think we did everything perfect, as noone could. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say.

 

[PW2]

Re: Stay the Course

Korea ain't Iraq.

I haven't suggested anything about Korea.

I'm for what works.

I'm suggesting a course that might work. If you think that simply doing more of the same in Iraq is going to lead to "victory", by all means support this president, and the repubs.

And all this time I thought Harvard types were all elitest Libs.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Stay the Course

Korea ain't Iraq.

I haven't suggested anything about Korea.

I'm for what works.

I'm suggesting a course that might work. If you think that simply doing more of the same in Iraq is going to lead to "victory", by all means support this president, and the repubs.

And all this time I thought Harvard types were all elitest Libs.

True, you did not mention NK. I was simply pointing out that some will complain about what Bush is doing, no matter what he is doing.

I'm not sure if your comment about "doing more of the same" was directed at me, or just in general, but I think I clearly stated that I'm not for that. I'm for what works, whatever that is. And I'm clearly stating, for the record, that withdrawing is not going to work, for anyone. If we simply start to pull out, everyone will have alot more casualties.

Also, it's hard to know what works and what doesn't, without actually being there. The media isn't exactly reporting everything fairly at all times. And everything is sometimes lost in translation. I hope those on the ground there, and in charge, are doing what needs to be done, and doing it in a way that is the most efficient. And everyone fighting in Iraq could use the full, unilateral support from our government and our country. The problem is finding the right course, and convincing everyone it is the right course. I think Congress has the power to set things straight over there(as a whole, no partisan garbage involved), if they would only pull their heads out of their butts long enough to work together on it.

 

[crunch]

Re: Stay the Course

by all means support this president

Finally, you come up with a plan. 8)

Seriously though, do you really think Bush has done nothing but the same from day one? Stay the course means just the opposite of cut and run... it means we will stay in Iraq until the government of Iraq can defend it's self and it's people... and what is wrong with that?

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Stay the Course

I will enjoy myself much more in two weeks, when the rubber stamp gets put back in the drawer....
If you think he is a bumbling, ineffectual, fool now....
Then just wait!.......jk

Hmmm..I bet you were drooling the night of the last 2 Presidental elections, when all the polls showed Gore and Kerry to be the next President. I don't believe the polls

 

[PW2]

Re: Stay the Course

The problem with that is that it has shown no evidence of success, both in the past or in the furure. There is no evidence that the Malaki gov't will ever stand up--they can't (or won't) stand up to the Militias and Sadr specifically. In fact they forced us to release a Sadr death squad leader for some unexplained reason.

They won't establish a unity conference to bring the Sunnis together with the Shias and the Kurds, or amend the constitution. They are already aligning themselves with Iran...And no doubt Sadr is biding his time till he can launch a coup and take the whole place over.

What we are doing has no chance of achieving any sort of goal. On top of that, polls in Iraq suggest that 80% of Iraqis want us to leave, and 60% of Iraqis think it ok to kill Americans.

We ought to do something different, as what we are doing has no chance of success

 

[QC]

Re: Stay the Course

Would I dust him off, say we're sorry, and return him to power? Of course not.

Thank you. I did not think you would, but it establishes that the world and Iraq are at least, in your opinion, better off without him.

Malaki and his bunch are already aligning themselves with Iran,

Iran its own-self is reason enough to stay in Iraq, it was probably reason enough to go in with the benefit of hindsight, which BTW is liberally used around here . . .

We *have* to find a political solution to this, get our soldiers off the role as target, and get the regional players involved politically somehow. That includes Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Turkey, and others.

That would be nice. Not sure why doing what we're currently doing (staying the course) is not consistent with that. It is definitely not gonna happen overnight and IMHO it is another reason to be in the Middle East period. To establish influence on the political process you describe.

It won't be easy to do. The pending result is an all out regional power struggle and war, or Sadr taking over Iraq, which may be worse.

We are not in a position to fix this on our own, and if we have to withdraw to get others involved, that is what we need to do.

Well I sorta agree with that with the exception of the withdrawal suggestion. Something has to give in that region. Period. There is no other political or military entity on this planet with the will to actually do something. That is why I support this war, and this Administration. They have the guts to do what is right for the US and the World et al. There is no question in most of our minds that the status quo in the Middle East is unacceptable.

 

[alden135]

Re: Stay the Course

I'm just posting to this thread because QC did.

 

[snapperbait]

Re: Stay the Course

NEWS FLASH!.... There is no course too stay... AND.... There never was one...

I was never here....

 

[QC]

Re: Stay the Course

Sorry all, it just looked so patheic with no opposing views . . . :devil: 8) o