Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

You don't have a choice... You need to replace the shutters or you run the risk of water incursion in the engine. Nobody said maintaining a boat was cheap... (If they did, they lied.)

That actually made me laugh, nobody told me that it was cheap, just more than i want to pay for a boat that is semi decent. The term I laugh at is B.O.A.T. stands for Break Out Another Thousand, and so far im up to about 400 dollars. I will get to it one day, hopefully by next spring it will be ready for the ocean, I was hoping for at least by next month but thats not going to happen. Anyways chris, sorry for the confusion, I meant the drive shaft with the u-joints, on the upper housing. its the first main seal on the upper that the driveshaft comes into the upper housing I looked through the manual that you posted in post number 3 and it doesnt look too terrible except that I need the drive shaft retainer wrench which cost about 30 bucks off ebay. Since I have spent about 150 bucks on the outdrive so far I might have to wait until after my vacation and catch up on some bills before I continue to spring into buying anything else for it. looks like somebody before me tried to hammer it off with a screwdriver and hammer, and since it looks like they werent successful then Im guessing they KNEW about it before they sold it to me. I will possibly just go ahead and winterize the boat since its starting to get kinda chilly and just get this outdrive working top notch before I go and put it back on the boat. Chris your words of advice are amazing, and you do not know how much I appreciate all your help. I will continue to post on this topic here and there since yes I am still confused some what. Heres something else though, the local marina said that out of all the boats they get in to do service work only about 1/3 of them actually have the shutters installed on them, and the owners do not want them installed. Go figure, thats asking for a terrible outcome.

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

That actually made me laugh, nobody told me that it was cheap, just more than i want to pay for a boat that is semi decent. The term I laugh at is B.O.A.T. stands for Break Out Another Thousand, and so far im up to about 400 dollars. I will get to it one day, hopefully by next spring it will be ready for the ocean,

That's cool..

I was hoping for at least by next month but thats not going to happen. Anyways chris, sorry for the confusion, I meant the drive shaft with the u-joints, on the upper housing. its the first main seal on the upper that the driveshaft comes into the upper housing I looked through the manual that you posted in post number 3 and it doesnt look too terrible except that I need the drive shaft retainer wrench which cost about 30 bucks off ebay.

And you are going to need a inch/pound torque indicator... To get to that seal, you need to pull the bearing pack apart, and you need the indicator to set it all up again... I would recommend the TA-30 Seekonk torque analyser, but it's expensive. Maybe find a shop that would hire one to you...

Since I have spent about 150 bucks on the outdrive so far

That's not a lot...

I might have to wait until after my vacation and catch up on some bills before I continue to spring into buying anything else for it. looks like somebody before me tried to hammer it off with a screwdriver and hammer, and since it looks like they werent successful then Im guessing they KNEW about it before they sold it to me.

Yep, see that a lot too... For the sake of a $30 tool some *** is willing to destroy something.. Go figure. :facepalm:

I will possibly just go ahead and winterize the boat since its starting to get kinda chilly and just get this outdrive working top notch before I go and put it back on the boat. Chris your words of advice are amazing, and you do not know how much I appreciate all your help. I will continue to post on this topic here and there since yes I am still confused some what. Heres something else though, the local marina said that out of all the boats they get in to do service work only about 1/3 of them actually have the shutters installed on them, and the owners do not want them installed. Go figure, thats asking for a terrible outcome.

The shutters themselves aren't too expensive, but it can be a few hours work involved to fit them.

Look forward to seeing you again... (when you do, flick me a PM so I know you're posting again)

Cheers and happy winter (Something I don't have to deal with where I am. We fish and boat 12 months a year... But there is something you can do that I can't... Walk across your lake in the middle of winter... )

Chris.....

 

[ktbarrentine]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Just an added thought here..... If your drive shaft seal is leaking, once you get it apart, pay particular attention to the condition of the yoke shaft where the seal rides. If it is pitted, you may be looking at a new yoke shaft.

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Just an added thought here..... If your drive shaft seal is leaking, once you get it apart, pay particular attention to the condition of the yoke shaft where the seal rides. If it is pitted, you may be looking at a new yolk shaft.

Or a speedi-sleeve.... Much cheaper, lasts longer... win-win I'd say...

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Okay everyone got the seals replaced in the outdrive. everything is holding pressure, it pumps to 15 psi and held for 8 hours no leaks. Put the outdrive back on the boat, now i cant get the boat out of drive gear. It will go from WOT to basically idle speed, but it will not disengage into neutral... anyone have any ideas? I REAAALLLLY dont want to pull the outdrive again, lower unit wont be that bad im sure, but it is still a pain. Im open to suggestions.

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

You need to get under the drive with it tilted up and have someone move the shift control. You should see the upper and intermediate shift shafts moving. If you don't (and I suspect you won't), you need to pull the drive and check that the roller on the lever is in the slot on the slide... No big deal pulling the drive, it's only 3 minutes....

You did put the s/s and rubber washer back on top of the lower shift shaft before you put them back together didn't you?

Chris....

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Hey chris thanks for the reply again... yeah I got all the stuff squared away on the lower shaft when I had the upper and lower separated unfortunately it will be tomorrow before I can check that shift with a helper, been working solo so far. But I do know I put the roller in the slot when I was putting the drive back on the boat. This has been a nightmare job. I KNOW I wouldn't have been able to do it without the help from this site. I will check all I can tomorrow after work.

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Alright took the outdrive BACK off... pinched a seal trying to get it back in and cut it... dont know if i will need it or not... but I was trying to put the outdrive back on in WOT, and apparently it didnt do too well like that... put it in neutral and it went in just fine and shifts normally now.... Page 2A-6 on the mercruiser repair manual, the Rubber Gasket... didnt have it when i pulled it off... but bought a new transom seal kit. and thats the only one that pinched that im aware of. Anyone really know if its ABSOLUTELY required?

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

When you say 'outdrive' are you referring to the complete drive? If so, then there is NO WAY it should have gone on in neutral. If it did, then something is seriously wrong with the shift setup. The big rubber ring is a good seal between the bellows and the shift cavity. If you get a water leak into one, it stops the water going into the other (and cause further, expensive damage)...

Chris......

For a description of exactly how the shift shafts line up and why it should be in forward gear, watch the first couple of minutes of this video -> http://youtu.be/aGVrY4cWiDA

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

WHOOOPS.... chris I wish i had that video prior to installing the complete drive.... I hope i didnt mess anything else up... I actually didnt know that the two O-rings towards the back of the drive shave just before the U-joints werent supposed to be greased, I used marine grade grease instead of oil. Anyways I also used the nuts to push the drive on to the bell housing. Didnt turn the prop and it did not slide on as easily as yours... do you know if i messed anything up? Apparently this job is not as simple as i thought.

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

okay Im calling out for achris. he seems to be the top dog on mercruisers. Chris, I just put the water on the muffs and fired up the boat to see if it was still working right. Heres my problem, boat starts fine, no issues, boat goes into forward gear no issues (minus a little gear grinding but I think that sound is normal from what I have heard before) the issue i am having is it seems like it does not want to go into the reverse gear, it sounds like the motor is struggling and then the motor dies. Chris any help would be awesome, and please tell me I do not have to pull the drive again . Thanks bud!

 

[mr-steve-jones]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Please ignore your marina's comments and buy a pair of exhaust shutters. I found mine had not been maintained by previous owner only after filling my engine with water! Stood up and pulled the kill switch and the wash went straight up the exhaust.
I was lucky and no damage but i fitted shutters before my next session on the water.
Good luck.. Steve.

 

[Don S]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

I'm not Chri, but worn out cables can cause too much slop between the inner and outer cores of the cables, to the point you can't get forward and reverse no matter how you adjust it.
Did you check the cable play specs shown in the manual? Here is the adjustment procedure without the whole manual to confuse things,

View attachment A1G2 Shift Cable Adjust.pdf

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

I'm not Chri, but worn out cables can cause too much slop between the inner and outer cores of the cables, to the point you can't get forward and reverse no matter how you adjust it.
Did you check the cable play specs shown in the manual? Here is the adjustment procedure without the whole manual to confuse things,

View attachment 171662

Here's a video of the shift cable adjustment, with attention to checking for excess movement....

Shift cable adjustment: http://youtu.be/-s_tgevX2aI

 

[Don S]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Here's a video of the shift cable adjustment, with attention to checking for excess movement....

Shift cable adjustment: http://youtu.be/-s_tgevX2aI

Ever tried to print out a video and take it to the boat and follow step by step

 

[achris]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Ever tried to print out a video and take it to the boat and follow step by step

Yeah, do it all the time Don... Don't you???

 

[Don S]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Yeah, do it all the time Don... Don't you???

Nope, I know how to do it

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

Well not that I know what Im talking about because I KNOW I dont, but when I pulled the drive it shifted just fine. When I put it back on it shifts into forward great, but when it goes into reverse it stalls the engine out... and it also looks like there is a small restriction of water on my starboard side of the motor now.... quite unusual... I am working tomorrow so I wont be able to work on it until next week. Would like to get it straight before the weather gets too cold to ride... But Im not sure its the cables this time, but something else when its in forward gear there is a clanking sound everytime I turn the propeller (like a lock or something to prevent it from spinning the other direction) when its in reverse it seems like its in neutral. Any ideas, comments, or questions ill be available for a few hours. Thanks everyone for bearing with me.

 

[Don S]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

When you take a drive off and put it back on, the shifting might change. It shouldn't, but here in the real world it does. So what you have to do is readjust the linkage.
The problem is, if you don't know what your doing, or how the system works or why, then it gets tougher and takes longer to adjust it. I just look at the linkage, see what it's doing and adjust from there. Usually just takes a few minutes. But I don't even want to know how many of those I have adjusted. Just part of the job when you're a marine tech.

But Im not sure its the cables this time, but something else when its in forward gear there is a clanking sound everytime I turn the propeller (like a lock or something to prevent it from spinning the other direction) when its in reverse it seems like its in neutral.

What happens when you turn the prop the other direction when it clanks. Bet it catches and won't turn.

 

[csherrill2]

Re: Still confused. Love everyone who helps.

exactly Don, it does catch and wont turn, but isnt it supposed to do that when in reverse? cause its not doing that...i will check the linkage sometime next week.... what would cause it to change? and secondly.... why is the motor stalling out when it goes into reverse?