Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

[Willyclay]

Re: Can this motor be tilted up?

Re: Can this motor be tilted up?

Can you tell from my picture if it's currently in a locked position now

That spring in the left foreground of the picture is what keeps the lock engaged so I believe it is.

 

[KathyD19]

Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

Ok, this seems like one step forward and 2 backwards (story of my life lately!) I took the motor off in order to move it to the boat I want to use it on. With that transom side accessible I was able to attach the release lever/hook thingy to the pin (Part #98 in the diagram). When my husband and I put it on the boat, even after messing with the release and lock lever, it didn't freely tilt up. He gave it a big old pull and then it did move up (I didn't see him do it so I don't know exactly how he did it, but there wasn't any noise like you guys said would happen if it was triggered while boating and I hit something). It was getting dark so I didn't get a chance to look it over well while it was in the tilted up position and the next day, he pulled it back down. Now it won't go back up again and he doesn't remember how he got it to do that in the first place. The boat I have it on now is much lower to the ground so I can't drive the boat anywhere with the motor sitting straight up and down because it's only about 7 inches off the ground! I included pictures I took tonight of it and I am puzzled by the notched area that I circled in blue. It would seem that in order to tilt, the bar would move from one notch to the next and so on to control how far it tilts, is that right? But it does NOT move out of the notch it's in.What is the pivot point whereupon the motor tilts? Can you circle the pivot area in a picture for me? I don't want to keep yanking on the motor and possibly damage the transom. When he did get it tilted up that once, it moved up and down freely, didn't lock into place up so I know I can't drive with it like that or it will just flop back down when I hit a bump. Shouldn't it stay locked up while I'm driving to the lake? Like I said, this is so frustrating because I know it's a basic part of using a motor and it shouldn't be this dang hard!
Oh, one last thing, when I was messing with it tonight and moving it around, a black rubber square with 2 nubs on it fell down and I had no idea what it was or where it came from. I see on the diagram that it's part #100. Crap! What does that do and is that part of my problem? I think I need to open a large bottle of wine now.....

 

[JB]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

Hi Kathy.

Please tell us the make and model of your outboard.

 

[KathyD19]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

I'm sorry I didn't put that in there...it's a 1956 Johnson Javelin 30 hp. (I've had another thread related to this, but involved having to reinstall the release lever and since that's been done now, I put up this new post. I hope I didn't mess that up by adding a new one; I've never used a forum before.)

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

the pivot point for the motor is



normally the catch is on the other side the print shows the tilt bracket as part 110 but im unsure how it works. the part you marked in blue is to stop the motor tilting to far down and shouldnt need to be moved to change the motor angle

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

only thing i can find on anything that old is that the gear lever has to be in forward or netrual or it will not tilt if that helps.

 

[jestor68]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

only thing i can find on anything that old is that the gear lever has to be in forward or netrual or it will not tilt if that helps.

That sounds correct, as the purpose of the lock is to keep the motor from kicking up when applying throttle in reverse gear.

You should see the lever move when you move the gear shift. It should only "lock" down on the tilt pin when the shift lever is moved backward to the reverse position.

 

[Willyclay]

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Part #100 is a "Bumper" and acts as a shock absorber when the reverse lockout lever is released so there will not be metal-to-metal contact. Over time the strong spring on that mechanism would cause some damage if the bumper was not in place. Probably okay to leave it out while you are fiddling with the motor but I recommend you re-install it for long-term use. Good luck!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

I was able to attach the release lever/hook thingy to the pin (Part #98 in the diagram).

This is the key to the safe! You should be able to see the locking mechanism (#94, #97 & #99) moving up and down when the reverse lock lever (#96) is pushed and released. NOTE: There is a retainer slot to hold the lever in the "released position" that is engaged by pushing the lever to the side. Hang in there because I know you can do this!

One final thought; the lack of grease and rust on and around the tilt bolt itself may be making it difficult to tilt.

 

[KathyD19]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

I'm going to go outside now and take a look at it, just got home for lunch. Willy Clay, what exactly is the "tilt bolt" itself that is rusted and needs grease? I'll grease it up and see if that helps if you'll tell me which part it is. I never thought that maybe it needed to be in neutral or forward to function..I'm pretty sure it's in neutral now but I'll check to see if forward makes a difference. Also, how do I secure it tilted up to be able to drive it to the lake?

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

what exactly is the "tilt bolt" itself that is rusted and needs grease? I'll grease it up and see if that helps if you'll tell me which part it is.

The thing at the red "X" that Glenn marked in post #25. Not sure if that old motor has grease zerks in the mounting brackets or not. If so, they should be visible from inside the boat. Good luck!

 

[Willyclay]

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Also, how do I secure it tilted up to be able to drive it to the lake?

I cannot find anything in the parts catalog for your motor identified as a "tilting lock". My 1959 Johnson 35 had a pin in the starboard transom clamp bracket that served that purpose. Some old motors had a fold-down rod that acted as the support while tilted. I just don't see anything like either of those things for your motor in the diagrams or your pictures. My recommendation is after you get it tilted, place a piece of 2X4 wooden block between the exhaust housing and the transom bracket and then use a strong bungee cord from the trailer to the motor's lower unit to keep the motor from bouncing and losing the block. Sorry I cannot be more help!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

I never thought that maybe it needed to be in neutral or forward to function.

This thing is called a "reverse lock" and was designed to prevent the motor from tilting up by the force of the propellor when in REV gear.

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

they sell transom savers in wally world which will work for keeping the motor up while on the trailer so thats not a problem. i have searched all over the net and have not seen one in the tilted up position im sure they must be able to be locked in that position i just carnt see a diagram for it. im wondering if this is one of the motors that you have to unlock and move the handle up before it tilts. hoping someone has one that can help.

 

[m casey stock]

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My Lark has a release like that.

 

[JB]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

This is more of an outboard question than a boat question, Kathy. Let' try it in the Johnson/Evinrude Forum. I will move it for you.

 

[KathyD19]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

Thank you everyone! I checked it and I am able to move the lock/release lever up and down in forward, neutral and reverse. It does move the bar on the spring, although not very far, but it moves it. It still doesn't make the motor free to tilt up though. Just doesn't seem like the action of using the locked/release lever does much of anything Certainly there has to be a way for the motor to be tilted up for towing the boat somewhere; they were so smart back in the '50's that I know they would account for that. Here's a picture of the other side, I don't see anything that would resemble part #110. The mystery continues!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

Here's a picture of the other side, I don't see anything that would resemble part #110.

No mystery, just a part number description that is very misleading! Part #110, called a "Tilting Lever Assembly" has nothing to do with tilting. It is the device on these old motors that allows you to adjust the trim angle for maximum performance. Look at your pictures in post#22 and you will see the exposed tip of the starboard side of the assembly circled in blue in the first picture. It is not visible on the port side due to the design of the transom bracket. It may be possible to raise that "lever" high enough that it will function as the trailering tilt that you are seeking. Need one of the experts to post in and educate us both. Good luck!

 

[KathyD19]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!


TA-DA!!!! It's tilted!!!! Only problem is I have no idea what magical thing I did to make it happen so I don't know to repeat this trick once I lay it down again. As I said...one step forward, two steps back. But at least I know now that yes, it DOES tilt!!!

 

[Willyclay]

Re: Still need help getting motor to tilt up!

Good on ya, Kathy!