Taking Christ out of Christmas

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OJ, you just wouldn't believe it if I told ya!!!
 

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Afterthought: Deer, possum, and racoons need carrots. Maybe then they could see THE DAM* HEADLIGHTS!!!! :p :p :D
 

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QUOTE]Well now! Have you ever seen a rabbit with a sight dog?? NO I bet you haven't. Not one with glasses either. No vision care available. [/QB]
Well now, there is a reason for that!!! All them blind rabbits done been et by their seing eye dawgs:)
 

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LadyFish, the thing that bugs me is, for all the things I don't like about Christmas, the one thing that I find offensive about it, is the taking of Christ out of the word, and making Xmas out of it!!!!! Now, THAT is removing it...
 

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X-mas ... Next we'll have PG-Mas, G-Mas, and R-Mas! Then we will be blitzed 4 times a year to empty our wallets and max out our credit cards so Greenspan can raise the interest rates. ;)
 

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I know a lot of people think of me as anti-Christian because I object to many things done and defended in the name of Christianity. Well, it aint so, and there isn't enough room here to explain it all, so I wont. <br /><br />Many religions have festivals and holidays at this time of year. Year-end festivals have been around for many thousands of years.<br /><br />The spirit of Christmas represents the best of what Chritianity stands for in my view, and I welcome whatever manifestations of that spirit that may come along.
 

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Here is some interesting reading, and there is much more if one wants to find out about the origins of certain holidays or rituals practiced in modern day world...and believe it or not, most of the Religious Holidays were instituted by the old Roman Catholic church...and I am NOT railing the Catholics here, just stating a fact anyone can read about in history...and also, most if not all of them were united with a pagan time of worship so as to allow all peoples of any "religion" to have a holiday together...how sweet!!! <br /><br />Origin of Christmas - The Traditions and Controversies<br /><br />For today's Christian, the origin of Christmas is, and should be, the birth of Jesus Christ as recorded in the Bible. Nothing more and nothing less. However, most of what we witness on December 25th each year has absolutely nothing to do with that blessed day, which probably occurred in late summer or early fall about 2,000 years ago. In fact, most of the customs and traditions of Christmas actually pre-date the birth of Jesus, and many of them are downright deceptive in their meaning and origin. Here are a few examples: <br /><br />The date of December 25th probably originated with the ancient "birthday" of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright **********, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples. <br /><br />Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it probably wasn't until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the "Christian" holiday of Christmas.
 

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Right on the dot Spratt.It was always easier to slightly change the character of a holyday as opposed to banning it.Channuka probably has the same original source.<br />Living in a secular country,everybody has the right to celebrate their religious festivals,just don't try to shove them down other people's throat as the "American way" rather call them "your" way.
 

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Even ROME has this problem! :mad: <br /><br />Christmas Song Revives Religious Debate<br /><br />Mon Dec 6, 8:12 AM ET Oddly Enough - Reuters <br /> <br /><br /><br />ROME (Reuters) - An Italian teacher's efforts to make a Christmas carol more acceptable to young Muslim students by removing the word "Jesus" has rekindled the debate over religious symbols in the Roman Catholic country. <br /><br /> <br /><br />A middle-school teacher in the northern Italian town of Como set off a storm when she told Muslims in her class that if they preferred they could replace the line "this is the day of Jesus" with "this is the day of virtue." <br /><br /><br />"Jesus banned in Christmas songs" the daily Il Giornale, run by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's brother, said in a front-page headline Sunday. <br /><br /><br />"Substituting the word Jesus in a Christmas song is a serious mistake and an offence against the entire Catholic community," Como's mayor, Stefano Bruno, from the center-right Forza Italia (Go Italy) party, told Agi news agency. <br /><br /><br />Religion has been an increasingly prickly issue in Italy as immigrant communities grow. <br /><br /><br />A judge sparked a nationwide controversy a year ago when he ordered that a crucifix be taken off a school wall. Pope John Paul (news - web sites) weighed in saying it was undemocratic and dangerous to try to erase a country's religious symbols. <br /><br /><br />Tension mounted again earlier this year when a nursery school refused to hire a Muslim woman, saying her headscarf could scare the children. <br /><br /><br />But before the latest standoff exploded into a full-blown controversy, the 10- and 11-year-old students resolved the issue by opting to stick to the original lyrics. <br /><br /><br />The director of the school, Pasquale Capria, told reporters on Sunday: "The foreign students themselves told me it wasn't a problem for them to sing Jesus." <br /><br /><br />Foreigners, many of them Muslim, represent about 20 percent of the students at the school. There are some one million Muslims living in Italy, a country of around 57 million people.
 

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Nah, I just deleted the text I was going to post, because I really had no intention of turning this thread into a discussion about religion...but Christmas canot really be extricated from religion...sometimes I wonder...is religion REALLY associated with Christianity?? People get up and go to church "religiously"...eat and sleep and do things "religiously"...and Christians go to church "religiously"..alcoholics drink "religiously"...
 

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Xmas is not necessarily a bad word - afterall, the "X" is derived from the symbol early Christians used in Rome to avoid persecution. They simply used "X" as a symbol for Christ. Ergo, Xmas.
 

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Right on LF... good post.
 

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I wonder....how many of you(who DO believe in Christ) actually wake up Christmas morning and wish Jesus a happy birthday. <br />I know that we do not know the exact day that Jesus was born and that does not matter to me either. <br />I celebrate Jesus' birthday on December 25 and the first thing I do is wish Him a happy birthday. <br />There is NO way, no matter what any politician or anyone says, Jesus will ALWAYS be the reason for our national holiday. Whether you believe in Him or not.<br /><br />That's my 2 cents.
 

mikeandronda

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brother Chris my family has made a birthday cake and sung happy birthday Jesus for yrs.........it was started by my aunt a long time ago.
 

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Mikeandronda, that's so cool! :) :) :) <br />So glad to hear that....you made my day.
 

cbnoodles

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Bravo! Well said (or written as the case may be)!<br />*The Professor stands and claps for LF*
 

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I love Christmas, for what it stands for, not the commercialization of it. But for the greatest gift that was ever given to mankind, the gift of a Saviour. What a wonderful gift - and it is free!<br /><br />I know our Christmases are full of presents, because we are so appreciative of friends and family and it is a great time to express that appreciation, but the most important gift is the one that God gave each one of us, and our Christmases start with Bible reading, discussing the true meaning of Christmas and the wonderful things that Christ has done for us over the past year, and prayer. Then comes the presents and the food.
 

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Originally posted by brother chris:<br /> I wonder....how many of you(who DO believe in Christ) actually wake up Christmas morning and wish Jesus a happy birthday. <br />I know that we do not know the exact day that Jesus was born and that does not matter to me either. <br />I celebrate Jesus' birthday on December 25 and the first thing I do is wish Him a happy birthday. <br />There is NO way, no matter what any politician or anyone says, Jesus will ALWAYS be the reason for our national holiday. Whether you believe in Him or not.<br /><br />That's my 2 cents.
He have a birthday cake for Jesus.<br /><br />I see Christmas as actually two different ceremonies, one religious, and the other non-religious (Santa, etc).<br /><br />We celebrate both. My mother always has a prayer, and we go to mass on Christmas eve.<br /><br />Then we dig into the presents.<br /><br />Ken
 

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I am thinking a thought that raised my eyebrows, and makes me think of other posts on this board...in this thread alone there are 37 posts currently. The MAJORITY of those who admit they celebrate Christmas are in favor of maintaining the Religilus aspect connected to the holiday. If this were a sampling of a major partof our nation, do you suspect that it would be different? Look at all teh places these fine iboats folks are coming in here from, places all AROUND the GLOBE!!! Now, where is the MINORITY that is demanding the removal of Christ from Christ, from the Pledge, from ANYTHING????????? And why is not the voice of the MAJORITY in this being heard!!!??? I guess I just do not understand...it is the tail wagging the dog syndrome...
 

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What really irks me are the folks that display no belief in God or Jesus, but are more than willing to participate in the festivities of the season. I don't think that worshiping God and his only perfect son Jesus should be a seasonal thing.<br /><br />We have taught our boys the "Santa Lie", as Spratt puts it, but more importantly, we teach our children about Jesus and God. Some of my fondest memories as a kid was waiting for Santa to come on Christmas eve. Is it a lie, yes, but in reality, Santa stands for complete goodness and innocence and that just doesn't seem to bad to me. (Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus comes to mind).<br />Someday, my children will look back at Christmas's of the past and have some of their fondest memories also.<br /><br />To me Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of our savior Jesus Christ, and it is a time for people to remember how to treat our fellow human beings. I believe its called the "Christmas Spirit" when people suddenly have the urge to treat others in a more loving way. Its a shame that for many people that they only feel that spirit within them during one time of the year.<br /><br />Christmas is about Christ. Everything that Christ stands for is good. Why would anyone object to what is good.<br /><br />My family and I will continue to celebrate Christmas the way we always have, if people don't like it, too bad.<br /><br />Good post LF.
 
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