Torn between two used boats

Torn between two used boats

  • Glastron SX175

    Votes: 20 52.6%
  • Chaparral SS180

    Votes: 18 47.4%

  • Total voters
    38

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

I have an update. I was able to put eyes on the Glastron this afternoon. I have mixed feelings right now and don't know which way to lean. Seller stated the boat was always kept under a carport or in the garage. The boat was covered sitting behind the pool fence in the backyard (stated he had to move it out of the garage to park a vehicle inside while he was out of town).

The boat as soon as it was uncovered...
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I found debris (leaves, dirt, etc.) in all the under seat storages and ski locker. There was old, stagnant, standing water in the very forward partition of the ski locker just about up under the bow area. I also noticed the drain plug hole appeared to wet and found wet "goo" when I inserted a finger. Upon opening the engine bay I discovered the very bottom portion under and to the rear of the block filled with what appeared to be old, wet, saturated leaves and trash that could not drain out of the plug hole.

Look in the center of the photo (could not focus right in the dark with sunglasses on)...
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The boat was clean for the most part. A good washing would take care of the rest and the engine looked fine. Did not appear to have any leaks that I could detect. Maybe the water made its way in and they never cleaned it out. Don't know. Just don't really like that the water just sits there. My main concern is the hull. I noticed on the very bottom of the "V" hull you can obviously see where the boat has been "beached" many times. The white gelcoat is rubbed off and you can see the natural color fiberglass. Just above that there is a chunk of gelcoat missing in what appears to maybe be a rock strike. There is an actual hole that reaches into the fiberglass.

If you look in the following picture the rubbed area is at the bottom and appears to be black colored with the hole just above...
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There also appears to be very rough trailer loadings because in the following picture it appears the bow roller has rubbed the underside of the bow gelcoat...
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What do you'll think. How big of a concern is the standing water and hull issues. The boat has a fiberglass floor that seemed strong with no weak spots. Is the hull something that is easily fixed, not a major concern or a downright deal breaker and time to walk away. I am still trying to setup a meet on the Chaparral but have not been able to do so as of yet. It appears to be looking better and better at the moment. It was stated that is not a 10000 boat in the US...what would you'll suggest for a fair price? Bring on the expert opinions. Thanks.
 

JWFails

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Boats are cheap now. 2 yrs ago I paid $8400 for a 2002 19ft. 4.3L stingray with trailer and all the goodies. It had all maintenance records with 85 hours. I picked it over other boats as it was in great condition and always covered. Hope this gives you an idea. Cant say about hull damage, but looks minor from picture. Mine gets black on front from bow roller, however comes off when I clean boat.
 

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

The hull damage is hard to see in the picture. There is a patch about 12" long and 3" wide where all the gelcoat is rubbed off and you see the "clear, natural" fiberglass. That spot on the bottom of the hull appears as the black line in the picture above. I just couldn't get a picture from underneath showing that with the camera and lens I had with me. It is NOT black, it just appears black in the picture due to the lighting and shadows. I am rather concerned about that spot and hole in the hull just above the "rubbed" area.
 

mpdive

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Just by the pics I'd buy it. Leaves or a little standing water or hull gouges are all minor. Don't over think it. If you can water test it, even better. Mine looked just like it when I bought it. Little elbow grease and spectrumcolor.
 

90stingray

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Re: Torn between two used boats

The difference between $5000 and $10,000 is quite a bit. A lot of other boats fit in the 5-10K range. Don't settle with these two boats. Figure out what you can fit in your garage and what fits your wallet. The difference in fuel for the 3.0 and 4.3 will be unnoticable. 4.3 will be a better all around motor... and will be better for re-sale. Also, some peoples's idea of a clean boat may be different than yours. But it seems that the Glastron may have been used, then drug to the backyard and got covered when ever they got around to it. I don't like the idea of all the debris in the bilge... Seems like a little lack of care. And if they didn't cosmetically care for it... what about mechanically?
 

V153

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Ya the difference between 5k & 10k is, well, 5k. Glastrons & Chaparrals are both good boats. And 5k for the Glastron vs 10k for the Chap seems like a no brainer to me. But as 90stingray so astutely pointed out there are lotsa good boats out there in that price range. Why limit yourself to these two?

For that matter I'd keep my eyes open for a Stingray. Little brother has a 19 footer with a 4.3 he bought new in '01. Believe he payed about 13k for it. Great boat. Run 52 or 53mph empty or loaded. Doesn't seem to make much of a difference either way.
 

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Correction: Over 50 years.

As much as I like the 4.3. A 17' Glastron with a light load oughta run close to 50mph with a 3.0. Stingrays 18 footer was clocked at over 50 with the 3.0 btw.

Not to say Chaparral's a bad boat. Buddy of mine had one that was about 20' with a small block & that thing hauled a**! Just that personally I'd vote for the Glastron. 'Specially if it's VEC, which I believe it is.


I noticed the boat had the VEC markings on it. What is VEC? I assuming it is a positive feature.


How do you repair the hole in the hull? I have no experience with gelcoat and wouldn't have a clue where to begin.
 

V153

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Re: Torn between two used boats

VEC stands for "Virtual Engineered Composite(s)". Meaning any part off any VEC Glastron should bolt right onto any other VEC Glastron. That's the theory at least.

Looks to me like the "hole in the hull" is more than likely from beaching on a rocky shore. No big deal but you should seal it. Water will wick up through the fiberglass.

Get yourself a gel coat repair kit. When you screw up the first time sand it off & try again. You'll get better ...
 

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

The Glastron was made for a snap-in carpet; however, there is no carpet. It just has the fiberglass floor. Can this floor be washed and simply hosed off to drain out the plug or is that still a bad idea?

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TilliamWe

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Re: Torn between two used boats

The gelcoat scratches appear to be pretty minor. The chip could be filled with Marine-Tex white (it won't match, I know), and the bow roller marks are no big deal. I'll bet they aren't even due to "hard loadings" per se. Those black rollers can just leave lots of marks. And that part of the boat is always out of the water anyway. Is the cover water proof? But you did kind sort of catch one lie already, it's not always under that carport or under the cover. Not with leaves in it.
 

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Is this something to be concerned about?

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I am assuming this is gelcoat blisters. Should I worry about it or not? If I should, how would you repair it? Thanks.
 

woodsyfeller

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Before you buy either of them take em for a ride first then make your choice.Put them through the paces and run them at different speeds and see how they handle comparatively.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Those little bumps do appear to be blisters, yes. That is not good. A boat kept on a trailer should not blister. So that thing has been left in the water for longer periods of time that you have been lead to believe, or that you heard. Gelcoat blisters are labor intensive and Expensive to repair PROPERLY. Search on here, you'll read all about how to repair blisters. It ain't fun.
 

V153

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Those little bumps do appear to be blisters, yes. That is not good. A boat kept on a trailer should not blister. So that thing has been left in the water for longer periods of time that you have been lead to believe, or that you heard. Gelcoat blisters are labor intensive and Expensive to repair PROPERLY. Search on here, you'll read all about how to repair blisters. It ain't fun.
Agreed. Much as I like Glastrons I think I'd pass on that one. The blisters affect performance and more than likely will eventually crack. Allowing water to wick into the surrounding glass cloth. And they're a real pita to repair correctly. Pass.
 

cribber

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Re: Torn between two used boats

I was for the Glastron until I seen the picture of the gelcoat blisters. You really should shy away from this deal but there are others out there... just keep looking. I have the GT-185 with the 3.0l and it's not a speed demon but managed to thrash my 300 pound BIL on on oour tube with 3 others onboard.
 

CaptOchs

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Re: Torn between two used boats

I have a '91 17ft Glastron with a 3.0L. Very similar to what you are looking at. The boat has all the features I've been looking for;
  • Open bow
  • Full swim platform
  • Light enough I can tow with car, (Charger)

I do about 43MPH once on plane and that's fast enough for me. The only problem is when it's rough, it's rough. The bigger boat would handle a busier lake. What sort of lakes do you plan on going on? Are you buying from an owner or marina?
 

G22inSC

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Its a typical lake in SC, not anything like the Great Lakes. What surprises me is that is the only spot with the blisters. I would think if they appeared in one spot they would appear all over the hull. I know you'll say it is expensive and difficult to repair, but how do you repair it? I am assuming that is something left for the pros. I just really don't want to make that the deal breaker. Seems to be a good boat otherwise.
 

V153

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Re: Torn between two used boats

What surprises me is that is the only spot with the blisters
So far ... Sounds to me the boat has not been quite as meticulously maintained as the po might have you believe. And it appears you're trying to talk yourself into it regardless. Don't do it. Pass. Be patient. Leave your money in the bank & shop for something in better condition.
 

mpdive

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Re: Torn between two used boats

Its a typical lake in SC, not anything like the Great Lakes. What surprises me is that is the only spot with the blisters. I would think if they appeared in one spot they would appear all over the hull. I know you'll say it is expensive and difficult to repair, but how do you repair it? I am assuming that is something left for the pros. I just really don't want to make that the deal breaker. Seems to be a good boat otherwise.

What lake in SC?
 

mpdive

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Re: Torn between two used boats

I have to agree with the others. Earlier I stated I would purchase it but if I would have seen the blisters I too would pass. I know it's hard to pass up what looks good, but being patient will pay off for you. If I knew where you are in SC I would be happy to scan for some nice boats for you. Sadly, many have lost thier jobs and are forced to sell boats way below nada. I found, looked, and purchased mine in 32 hours. It can happen that fast if you just take the time to find the right one. If the fiberglass has started to wick, tou'll never forgive yourself for a rash decision. I used to suffer from "buyitis" years ago. I got my heart set on something and there was no stopping me from rushing out to buy it. Ask yourself, how long have you not had a boat? Let me know where your located and I'll be glad to scan some boats for you.
Mike
 
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