Trailer Tires

BIGALF

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I have a 240 SeaRay on a duel axel trailer with 14" tires. My last tires Carlisle Bias lasted only 2 years before I had 2 blowouts the same day. I had to get 4 tires on a Sunday so I didn't have much choice to research tires.I was able to get 4 Denman ST 205/75/D14 Bias Trailer tires.
I have had Radial tires before the Carlisle and they also blew. The boat trailer is only a few years old and is in very good shape. Most of my trips are from Central Florida to the coast so I'm usually going 60/65 miles/ hr on the highways
What am I doing wrong or should I just figure 2 years is the best I can do and keep 4 tires with me all the time?
 

Gary H NC

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Do they look like they wear even?
Also use the max PSI listed on the sidewall of the tire.Most failures are due to being under inflated.
You may want to step up to the next higher load range tire with that 24 footer.
 

robert graham

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Maybe check the total weight of your rig against the "maximum load" for each tire times 4. Also tire inflation is very important on a trailer tire, underinflation leads to overheating, tread separation, failure. Maybe you need some larger tires/wheels with higher load capacity. Check in Northern Tools and see what they have that might help you. Also, I change my trailer tires every 3 years because they deteriorate just sitting there so much and you can't tell by just looking at them that they're marginal. We had a couple of tread separations/blowouts on the interstate one year and it ain't fun! Good Luck!
 

j_martin

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What is the failure mode? Out of tread, or sidewall failure?

Once i borrowed a trailer, put 2 new tires on it, and blew them off in 1300 miles. Didn't even get across Montanna before they were worn out. Turns out the axle was bent.
 

rwidman

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I have a 240 SeaRay on a duel axel trailer with 14" tires. My last tires Carlisle Bias lasted only 2 years before I had 2 blowouts the same day. ............

Carlisle brand tires do not have a good reputation.

Pay attention to the advice given above about proper inflation.
 

642mx

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Carlisle brand tires do not have a good reputation.

That depends on who you ask. Some of us have ran them with no problems. I put 4000 miles on them with my enclosed motorcycle trailer before I sold it... and I've got them on my Heritage boat trailer now with maybe 1200 miles logged so far. I like them.

Now Marathons on the other hand...
 

BIGALF

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Thanks for the info. I check the tire pressure every time i take the boat out of storage.
The always have the max pressure cold. The trailer is in good shape. I think it's just the quality of the tire. What do you think is the best tire to use?
 

ufm82

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Here's an opinion that some will question. After years of trailering and having experienced several tire destructions, (all tread separation- no blow outs thank godness) I came to the realization that the tire was being damaged by extended periods of sitting with weight on it. Axles were good, wear was perfect, I balance my trailer tires and keep them properly inflated. Yet I had several failures on newer tires. I put brand new radials on my current trailer 4 years ago and have put the trailer on jacks ever since when I wasn't going to be using it for more than a week. It takes 5 minutes. I crank the tongue jack all the way down, put stands under the frame right behind the rear spring hanger and crank the jack all the way up. On my tandem that raises the front tires completely off the ground and the rears are just barely touching. I've done this for the last 4 years and the tires have responded- I've not had a tire issue since and the tires look great. (I only tow about 2,000 miles a year max.) I expect them to go another couple years at this rate. I also cover them by the way to keep the sun off them.

Trailer tire opinions are widely varied with many differing opinions. It's my belief that while some may be worse than others, a close eye on them will eliminate most of the issues.


As an aside, I sold skid loaders for 10 years and the trailers we sold came with Marathons on them. I rarely had a complaint on those tires and they hauled 10K pounds all day long.

UFM82
 

Hoggar

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Re: Trailer Tires

From BoatUS Trailer Magazine.

Trailer tires deteriorate in sunlight and can have their lives extended
by taking them off the trailer and storing them in the garage (put blocks
under the trailer frame and cover the hubs and brakes with a plastic trash
bag to keep them dry). Removing the tires also deters thieves. If the tires
must remain on the trailer on the lawn, position the trailer so each tire
rests on a piece of plywood. This is done to avoid dry rot, which can occur
when tires remain on grass in the same place over a long period of time.
Cover each tire with a heavy plastic garbage bag to prevent exposure to
the sun. Block each tire to keep the trailer from moving. Cover the hubs
with thick plastic, such as the garbage bag referred to earlier, and secure
it tightly. If the tires remain on the trailer during the winter, move the
trailer from time to time so as to avoid ?flat spotting,? which is the result
of a tire sitting in the same position over a long period of time.

And Put a block of wood under the trailer jack to raise the bow and allow
rainwater and melting snow to drain.

More info from an article on the OMC site

MAINTENANCE TIPS

When a trailer is in long-term storage, there are steps you can
take to add life to the tires.
Put the trailer on blocks to take weight off the tires.
Lower the air pressure.
Keep the tires covered to protect them from the sun's
ultraviolet light.
When taking the trailer out of storage, make sure there are no
cracks in the grooves and no wire showing. Cracks in the
sidewall could indicate interior damage or separations in the tire.
MAXIMUM PSI?
As indicated earlier, maximum load range is attained only when the tire is
at its maximum air pressure. Yet, should you maintain maximum pressure
even if you are towing below the load range of the tires?
Tire manufacturers differ on this point. "You should maintain the
maximum pressure at all times," says Carlisle's Garbarino. "There is no
advantage to taking air out of the tire. With maximum pressure, the tire
will perform and wear better, and you will get better mileage. Reduce the
psi, and you compromise the functionality of the tire."
Titan Tire's Evans feels differently. "If you want a little softer ride, drop
the psi a bit," he says. However, he cautions that: "They have to know the
actual load."
"Trailer owners should set the pressure according to the load," says
Goodyear's Fry, who provided the tire pressure vs. load chart that
accompanies this story. "Yet, this is not easy to do without weighing the
trailer."
"Once the weight is accurately determined, the pressure should be set when
the tire is cold, not when it is hot."
All the manufacturers agree on one point: If you do not know the exact
weight of your trailer, keep the ST tires at the maximum cold psi.
Based on updated thinking, there are ultimately three keys to avoiding tire
trouble while towing: (1) Make sure your rig is equipped with the proper
tires: (2) maintain the tires meticulously: and (3) replace trailer tires every
three to five years, whether they look like they're worn out or not.
As my grandfather used to say, take care of your equipment, and it will
take care of you.
Author: Robert Eckhardt, reproduced with permission from Camping Life.
America's Family Camping Magazine, July/August 2001
 

BIGALF

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Re: Trailer Tires

I thank you all for your information. Since I live in sunny Florida I get to use my boat just about every weekend. Very seldom do I miss a weekend of boating. The boat is kept in an inside storage sitting on the trailer. All I do is call and by the time I get there it's ready to be towed. It would be almost impossible to keep the tires off or even keep them off the ground. I guess I'll just have to change them every 2 years or risk the blow outs.
Ain't trailer boating fun???
 

burp

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Bigalf,
Killers on trailer tires are air pressure, temps, towing speed and weight being carried.
Weigh your trailer with the boat and gear loaded on it. Then look at the tire sidewall to see what the maximum weight capacity the tire is rated for. Most 14" trailer tires are load range C which have a maximum rated weight capacity around 1800 lbs. The only 14" radial trailer tire which I have found with a higher load range is the Kumho, 857's. Technical specifics on the Kumho 857 can be found on the Tirerack.com website.
 

WIMUSKY

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That depends on who you ask. Some of us have ran them with no problems. I put 4000 miles on them with my enclosed motorcycle trailer before I sold it... and I've got them on my Heritage boat trailer now with maybe 1200 miles logged so far. I like them.

Now Marathons on the other hand...

Agree. I never had problems with Carlisle. Have the original set on my trailer for 16 years now. Granted , they need replacing, they are cracking. Same size and setup. 24' tandem.......

Have Marathons on my other trailer. 3 years, so far so good.....
 

mike prince

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Something no one has mentioned is the amount of weight on each respective axle. This should be checked on a truck scale and adjusted to be as equal as possable. This can be accomplished by moving the boat on the trailer or by raising or lowering the height of the hitch ball. Lowering puts more weight on the front axle raising the receiver ball puts more weight on the back axle. Forty plus years of trucking tells me the axles must carry equal weight or you will keep blowing tires.
 

pmillar

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Something else not mentioned (but probably not relevant) is the fact that ozone deteriorates tires as well as UV sunlight. If you live in L.A. for example, rubber tends to breakdown faster than say Fargo, ND. If you're in a smoggy metro area this can be a contributing factor. Interestingly, electric motors give off ozone... so anyone parking their trailer next to a clothes dryer needs to keep a closer eye on things. With a 24 ft. boat kept in storage I doubt it's an issue here but for anyone keeping their boat in the garage it could be. That goes for motorcycle tires as well...
 

mla2ofus

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Something else not mentioned (but probably not relevant) is the fact that ozone deteriorates tires as well as UV sunlight. If you live in L.A. for example, rubber tends to breakdown faster than say Fargo, ND. If you're in a smoggy metro area this can be a contributing factor. Interestingly, electric motors give off ozone... so anyone parking their trailer next to a clothes dryer needs to keep a closer eye on things. With a 24 ft. boat kept in storage I doubt it's an issue here but for anyone keeping their boat in the garage it could be. That goes for motorcycle tires as well...

I have to respectfully disagree about the ozone. Only brush type motors give off ozone due to the slight arcing between the brushes and commutator segments. Home driers only use induction type motors which don't create any arcing.
JMHO,
Mike
 

cribber

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My set of Goodyear marathons have held out very well over the last two years they've been on the trailer. No cracks in the sidewalls and the rubber is still very pliable. The thing is we trailer our boat nearly every weekend and they're not subjected to full sun where I keep the boat parked. Sun destroys everything eventually... just some things quicker than others. I've had a set of Michelins on a car start to get sidewall cracks in just a couple of years. First signs of sidewall cracks you need to replace the tire if you're gonna get anywhere near highway speeds.
 

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sethjon

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I have a 240 SeaRay on a duel axel trailer with 14" tires. My last tires Carlisle Bias lasted only 2 years before I had 2 blowouts the same day. I had to get 4 tires on a Sunday so I didn't have much choice to research tires.I was able to get 4 Denman ST 205/75/D14 Bias Trailer tires.
I have had Radial tires before the Carlisle and they also blew. The boat trailer is only a few years old and is in very good shape. Most of my trips are from Central Florida to the coast so I'm usually going 60/65 miles/ hr on the highways
What am I doing wrong or should I just figure 2 years is the best I can do and keep 4 tires with me all the time?


Get 6 ply tires and you won't have that problem.
 

FHB

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A buddy gave me some metal chocks for my boat. I was backing the boat into its space and ran into one of these things that had flipped on its side. Somehow it sliced a 4 inch gash into the side wall and the tire ruptured with a big bang.It was really loud!

This was an eye opener as the spare was held on with a rusted bent bolt ( It is a used boat). I had to cut it off. The tire also was too big to fit in the fender. I always check to pressure in the spare, but never looked it over that much before.

It is a good thing I got a flat in my driveway and not half way to nowhere.

Frank
 

BIGALF

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I think I'm going to solve my problem. I took my trailer in for service and found that I need 4 new disk breaks complete. Since this will cost me close to $1,000 I decided to trade in my trailer for a Tandem Axle Heavy Duty Aluminum trailer that can hold 10,500lbs GVW. 4,500 more then my existing trailer. This will also give me 15" rims and new Kodiak SS Disc Breaks. The dealer is going to give me $1,000 for my 2006 Seahawk. So my trailer that cost me $3,000 in 2006 would cost me another $1,000 to get fixed and the new heavy duty trailer will cost me $3,000 with my trade in. So I decided to spend the $2,000 more to get the heavy duty trailer for the boat.The trailer weight is only 130 lbs more then the one I have. I'm going to the factory Friday with my boat on the trailer to see if I can make that a final sale.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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