Upper Right Side Of Engine Leaking Water

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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ok thanks Bondo. Yea I saw the one on the block and the T shaped on aiming downward on the manifold. I will go down and turn it and see if the water shuts off. Also I will take my camera so I can compare it to the link diagrams. Where would the water come out if the T shaped one was in the wrong position?

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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I went down and checked the petc ock and it was in the right position. The bad news is i ran the boat and got a good look where the leak was coming from. Its coming from behind the exhaust manifold as I said before AND out of a what looks like a crack in the block. Maybe more than one crack. Could see better because it was darker I paid these people to winterize it and will go down there with the boat tommorrow. What do yall think is going to happen? What are the options to repairing it? No water in plugs. I checked one. NO water in oil I looked at receiptand it says fogging etc, but doesnt use the word winterizing or draining water

Bondo · May 8, 2005

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Well,........ It Doesn't Sound Good.......... Sounds like a Cracked Block,.... Cracked Head,.... Cracked Manifold........... The Only Relible repair for Cracked Cast Iron is Replacement.............. I've seen them Band-aided with Epoxy, or Welding,.... But,.... I've Never seen 1 of these Band-Aids Last...............

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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Yea from reading on here for quite some time. I thought thats what yall would say. The dealor has been around for close to 30 years. What do you think is my chances of getting the to repair it without going to court? Cost of repair? They kept it from october to the end of december. IN which time it got below freezing more than once. But anyway the reciept says fuel conditioner, fogging and turning pet **** back before starting blowing out lines and check for water in oil, along with the electrical harness they were repairing. What do you think the dealor will offer to do?

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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OK DonS and I am taking somebody with me too. A witness of sorts. They kept the thing for 2 months and didnt mention any leaks in the engine. In fact I posted here I thought there was an oil leak and had them to check all over the engine for that. They found nothing. I have had other people say they are reputable and they have been in biz for along time. So we shall see

Don S · May 8, 2005

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It doesn't really matter what we think your dealer might do, the only thing you can do is take it to him, with your copy of the workorder explain the situation to him, and find out what they are going to do. Any reputable dealer will fix their mistakes.

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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This person I am taking with me says I should go get another opinion/estimate on the repair job before taking it back to the dealer who did the winterizing. HIs reason is the dealer who did the winterizing could make up what is wrong with it. I think if he did that then we could go elsewhere to get the estimate. My problem is that this is my busiest time of year at work and I dont have the time to take it to different places for estimates Also the second dealership might take some time before they even look at it. Wasting valuable boating time Another thing is that the leak is not all that visible and they may have to take off the exhaust manifold to even give a complete estimate. The person is assuming the 1st guy will not do the right thing. I say lets give him a chance and then go from there. Do boating places give free estimates or at least tell you what is wrong with the boat? In a situation like this? How long before they do that if they do? Is it worth getting a second opinion first in the situation I am in? Its going to cost me money to take off

Bondo · May 8, 2005

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Well,....... If You took the Time,+ Energy required to Diagnois your Issue,.... Then You'd KNOW Going In......... Sometimes you need a Mirror, or Lights, Or Whatever to See the Problem,......... Pull the Seats or Whatever is In Your Way......... You are There,..... You Have the boat,...... We Can't see a Danm Thing on this Computer Screen....... If there's Water Pouring out of Your Engine,.... Then It CAN be Seen,....... But You've Got To LOOK.................. As far as the Honesty of Your Marina,......... That's Another Question that WE Can't Answer.............

Don S · May 8, 2005

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The person is assuming the 1st guy will not do the right thing. I say lets give him a chance and then go from there.

Eventually, "YOU" are going to have to make the decision.

Do boating places give free estimates or at least tell you what is wrong with the boat? In a situation like this?

Probably not.....No way of giving an estimate if they don't know what's wrong.

How long before they do that if they do?

That question is totally impossible for anyone here to answer, we don't schedule the work for your dealer.

Its going to cost me money to take off

Not sure what you want here, should we start a collection or what?

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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Bondo you missed the post where I said I got out there early this morning when it was kinda dark and the flashlight would then work better like somebody recommended. I then got down and stuck the flashlight under the engine pointed up while it was running. I was under the front looking through the crack between the manifold and the engine and saw where the water was coming out of the block. Ya so I know what the problem is. I was just in a hurry and had to be somewhere yesterday and was gathering as much info on here and the rest of the net as possible to what to look for today when conditions were better to see the problem. I tell ya though that leak is hard to see but it is right below where the gasket of the manifold connect to the block. The water is coming out of a seem there on the block. Streaming pretty good. DonS LOL point well taken. I decided not to take the guy and take another person and go to the dealer in question and see if he will do the right thing. Then get my azz to work Thanks for everybodies help

Bondo · May 8, 2005

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though that leak is hard to see but it is right below where the gasket of the manifold connect to the block. The water is coming out of a seem there on the block.

That Seam is the Split between the Block,+ the Head......... You Might just need a Headgasket...............

DayCruiser · May 8, 2005

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This seam looks like it runs vertical. But i hope I am wrong on that because just a head gasket would be alot better.oops! that may mean I would have to pay for doh! not so good lol Thanks Bondo!

DayCruiser · May 9, 2005

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If it is a gasket problem between the Block and the Head. How much labor we talking about? My shop charges 75$ an hour. Just want an idea before I take it to the shop in a couple of hours when they open I tend to agree that it is a gasket because of the sheer volume of water and the location of the leak and the leak seems to cover a long area

Bondo · May 9, 2005

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Sorry,......... I can't think of any Vertical Gaskets in That Neighborhood.......... I'd Think a Tear-Down would be needed for an Estimate.......

DayCruiser · May 11, 2005

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update, Talk to the owner. He said this has never happened before etc etc. But there is a small leak/crack where I said it was. He said they winterized it... He said he had a specialty welder who would weld this--I know.. I told him cast iron???. But he said this guy could do it and even if it seeped a little it wouldnt hurt anything. He would take care of the cost... I thought well it is a older boat and I really dont want to miss the summer in court etc. So what the hail. I gave the ok. If he tore the boat down and ordered a block etc etc then by the time he finished the summer would be gone that way too. Just get me through a couple more summers and I will buy a new boat

jeff13601 · May 11, 2005

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I just went through the same thing and mine was a ten inch crack behind the manifold. Bondo gave me the idea.I took mine apart and ground it out with a grinder. I then filled it with JB Weld and so far so good. The bad part is you are always going to think about it and know it might give. If you have a reciept, have someone take off the manifold and get a picture of the split. If you paid them for a job they did not do they are liable for the damage. From where it is split I would assume it was never winterized. Your post says you are from the southeast. How cold does it get where you are?

JustMrWill · May 11, 2005

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If you agree to the weld..make sure that it is "guaranteed" not to leak and if it does..that they will replace block. By agreeing to get it welded..they are admitting that they might have done something wrong...sooo..they need to make it right. -JustMrWill

tommays · May 11, 2005

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(even if it seeped a little it wouldnt hurt anything.) if it leaks at ALL it will do one thing get bigger just how are they planing to do this without takeing things apart? its not a plan i would be happy with but you may not be able to force them to do the correct thing tommays

novicetech · May 11, 2005

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Ive been following this post, and it sounds to me like the shop that is having your block welded, at their cost, is at least partialy admitting fault. What if they weld that crack and it is cracked somewhere else also? I would for sure try to get them agree to replace motor if it does not work. Good Luck

Bondo · May 11, 2005

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I've seen those Band-Aids last for 4 or 5 years or more.............. I'd think that both of you guys would be ahead of the game with a block Patch........ Run it this year,+ Keep your Eye Out for it's Replacement,..... Maybe the Whole Boat...............

The bad part is you are always going to think about it and know it might give.

Just make Sure the Bilge Pump is working properly,.... Maybe run 2 pumps........ It'll Still get you back to the trailer,........ As long as there's No Water going into the Oil..........

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