VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

Gargy

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Hi there!

First of all, please excuse my poor english - I'm from Slovenia and English is not my native language :redface:

I red all of FAQ's and other posts about this problem but I still need an opinion. I bought an used (1997 make) Monterey 262 with VP 5.7Gi engine, duo-prop drive in 2003. at the first year boat was doing perfect - 35 knots with full tanks and 4 persons.

Because I don't have a lot of knowledge about engine I let a local mechanic in marina to look over my engine - before winter and minor repairs. But the truth is that year after year boat had less and less performance.

But last year the "real" problems started. I had a lot of difficulties to even get the boat to get out of water, this year it is impossible.

Symptoms: in idle I can push the throttle to the max and get healthy loud V8 sound and about 6000 RPM. When I hit into gear and push the throttle to the max it will only "blend" the water and about 3.000 RPM. No way to get the boat out of water or even to cruising speed. Last year I somehow managed to get the boat to plane with some tricks (like slow acceleration and "playing" with power trim and trim tabs), but top speed was around 27 knots and 3/4 of throttle. If I pushed the throttle a little more, engine will loss power and I could spot a little of black smoke. This year I can't get more then 12 knots :(

I called the mechanic and we changed both pumps (LP and HP), spark plugs, spark plug cables, oil and fuel filter. Nothing better. They checked the engine for fault codes (everything OK), checked the timing and compression. They spotted that compression is a little bit low (6 to 7, where 10 is max). Running out of solutions they proposed two things - rebuild the engine with as they called "Long-block repair kit" in value of $4000 - $5000 or completely new engine.

Could it be that low compression is the case and if it is really necessary to spent such amount of money to regain full compression? I don't want to be "screwed" by mechanics - with their "reputation" to pull out a lot of money for small repairs...

Thank you and best regards,
Gargy
Slovenia
 

Don S

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Re: VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

What is the full model number or SN of the engine.
The model number will have some letters after the 5.7Gi.

Was the fuel pump pressures wrong which promped them to change the pumps?
Wre the filters checked for water?
Have the done a leakdown test on the engine? I sure wouldn't even consider a rebuild without at least a compression test and a leakdown test.
Could also be the boats fuel system, not the engine.
Do the tests in the thread below before you do any major engine repaires.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=283269
 

Gargy

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Re: VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

What is the full model number or SN of the engine.
The model number will have some letters after the 5.7Gi.

Volvo - Penta 5.7Gi version LK, SN: 4110151153

Was the fuel pump pressures wrong which promped them to change the pumps?
3 years ago there was a problem with the boat - started OK but died after 15 - 20 second. The mechanic found out, that it was problem with one of the pumps (don't know which). They replaced it and it was OK. This year we found out that installed pump was not genue VolvoPenta, maybe not even new one when installed. New mechanic first suggested to replace the pumps, just to be sure...

Were the filters checked for water?
Yes - no water.

Have the done a leakdown test on the engine? I sure wouldn't even consider a rebuild without at least a compression test and a leakdown test.
I'm not sure about leak-down test, but they checked the compression (as I already said it's a little bit low).

Could also be the boats fuel system, not the engine.
Do the tests in the thread below before you do any major engine repaires.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=283269
I guess it's all about DIY an not to trust those mechanics. The problem is that I'm 5 hour of driving away from marina and this is why I trusted mechanics to fix this problem...

Regards,
Gargy
 

Don S

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Re: VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

Assuming your compression numbers are in bars, that would be 85 to 100 PSI.
And you may need a new engine. BUT, you need to find out what caused the low compression to begin with.
You may just have bad valves causing the low compression and not need a new engine, just head rework.
At this point, do a leakdown test and find out where the compression is going.
Does your mechanic have a diagnostic computer to hook up to your engine?

PS: Here's a link to the OEM service manuals for you engine. Might just help a little.
http://www.4shared.com/dir/14518392/2d00c0cc/LKsharing.html
 

TilliamWe

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Re: VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

Is the bottom of the boat particulary dirty? Does it have a lot of marine growth on it?

My experience with those motors and low compression is that you should suspect the valves first. that's where the leakdown test comes into play.
 

Gargy

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Re: VP 5.7Gi 1997 WOT problem

@Don S: today I was on my boat and looked for the mechanic who made the compression test. The number are in bars - I'm little confused at the 4th cylinder - there are two lines.

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Second year after purchase we had a problem - impeller should be replaced by the annual maintenance service (made by former "mechanic") but obviously he forgot. We started the engine, but after 5 minutes of driving (low RPM, 5kts) we noticed blue smoke. Nobody has paying attention on gauges. Engine overheated. We stopped the engine and call the marine service to pick us up and tow us back. They replaced the impeller and everything was OK. Could this be the source of our problems (maybe blown gasket, valves problems etc..)

Best regards,
Gargy
 
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