"W" Saves The Day!

Speedwagon

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Originally posted by JasonJ:<br />
It is simply a matter of population outgrowing the pace of fuel efficent cars.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA <br /><br />That is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life. Population hasn't outgrown shyte. Population is buying inefficient huge vehicles because the automotive developers have had a genious marketing strategy that has duped us into believing we need a Cheverolet Suburban to take two kids to school.<br /><br />Population has grown so used to these big arse couches on wheels that the thought of (God Forbid) driving in a car is unforgiveable. There are plenty of good quality efficient cars on the road, but you think we are going to get anyone in them without forcing them? The new Honda Civic gets 40mpg, and costs $14,000. It is roomy, vastly more reliable than any monster GM is producing, but you don't have all that cargo space a Yukon has (that no one uses) or that third row bench (that no one uses).<br /><br />The Prez can't force Big Oil to do anything, because it isn't Big Oil that is the problem. It is us. Tax breaks, refining this, ANWR that, none of it matters. It is you people who keep going to the dealership and buying the new 16mpg beast because you "need" it when deep down you refuse to admit that you just want to be like the other guys at work. We only have ourselves to blame...
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<br /><br />I try to tell people that(in discussion of this type), but they never believe me(or don't want to). They usually want the government to fix it.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br /> If you drive a certain vehicle you'll look more attractive to the opposite sex.
And because of this wonderful marketing, that actually works.<br /><br />I ride around on my '81 XJ750 Seca a lot, and I never get noticed on it(less other bikers). I test rode a brand new '06 Yamaha FZ6 on Saturday, and I had(in about 15 minutes), 2 different girls wave at me. I wasn't on the bike for anyone but myself, but I did happen to notice that it makes a difference.<br /><br />Hell, tobacco companies CAN'T advertise on TV anymore, have to put out anti-smoking ads, and still people start smoking everyday. How's that for marketing? Advertise against yourself, yet increase user base.
 

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Originally posted by jimonica:<br />[<br /><br />"<br />The other day my kids missed the school bus and I drove them to school. I couldn't believe all the SUVs with big hitches on the back and not a spec of paint off of the inside of the receiver. People are buying the vehicles with no use for them. They just like the idea of sitting up higher than everyone else. Its kind of a security thing. [/QB]
Yea but it sure makes for some clean low mileage used vehicles for us old boys who do need something that will pull a load. I love to see them kind. :D
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br /> How about reinstating/expanding/increasing the gas-guzzler tax? Make those enormous senseless behemoths less appealing. Force the carmakers to increase the fuel efficiency of their vehicle by market demands, not by the ridiculous CAFE standards. <br /><br />
Just so I understand you correctly Mr. Moore... <br /><br />You are for putting even more of your Michigan autoworker brothers and sisters out of a job? And not just Michigan, other states too. As the domino affect of the auto industry is vast. Higher taxes reduce sales which reduce jobs... go figure!<br /><br />You are for increasing the accident mortality and serious injury? So that in addition to higher gasoline costs and taxes, you want to raise our auto and medical insurance costs even higher. Forcing the public out of safer SUV type autos, into smaller, lighter, more fragile ones will lead an increase in serious injury and death on the roadway. Look at the statistics.
 

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Why do I see one group trying to define who deserves to drive an SUV and/or deciding whether or not the hitch was used enough?<br /><br />Give me a break.<br /><br />This is America. You know who decides what kind of vehicle I drive and how much fuel I use? I DO! Not you.<br /><br />Want to drive a small car. Go ahead. But get your nose out of my business.<br /><br />What's next? IS someone going to decide I am using too much energy to heat/cool my 3700 sq ft home? Maybe we should all live in townhomes with communal HVAC at a set temp? Are my showers too long or too hot? Maybe someone can time them and set the thermo for me?
 

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RF, I agree!....<br />Conserving oil will only prolong our dependence on it.....<br />I say, "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!"<br />I happen to like my RICH, WHITE, HONKY MOBILE! :D :D ......JK
 

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Interesting, based on the lefts program suggestions the past 10 years or so, the government would run healthcare, telecommunications, the oil industry. Nobody take this personally but what does that sound like, a free market or socialism?<br /><br />Turning these industries over to the people who can't sucure a boarder with Mexico, just doesn't sound like such a good idea... Suggestion, eh, drill where the oil is????? The enormity of the matter makes it difficult to assign this to SUV's. Check your pricing on materials in just the last quarter. Aluminum up about 15%, copper up at least as much, Stainless steel up somewhere around 7%, resin raw material up 22%, Cast Iron up 12% or there abouts. It is getting bad due to world demand. Oil just isn't much different, in fact it's flexibility of use makes it even more volitile. SUV's not withstanding.
 

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Nuke the border, invade Iran & pump them MOFO'S dry! ;) :D :D .....JK
 

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You are right Pointer... where are the civil rights peeps??<br /><br />Don't take my picture on the street corner or tap my phone. But it's OK to direct my behaviors through the social engineering experiments of the TAX code.
 

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RF wrote,<br /><br /><br />"Why do I see one group trying to define who deserves to drive an SUV and/or deciding whether or not the hitch was used enough?<br /><br />Give me a break.<br /><br />This is America. You know who decides what kind of vehicle I drive and how much fuel I use? I DO! Not you.<br /><br />Want to drive a small car. Go ahead. But get your nose out of my business.<br /><br />What's next? IS someone going to decide I am using too much energy to heat/cool my 3700 sq ft home? Maybe we should all live in townhomes with communal HVAC at a set temp? Are my showers too long or too hot? Maybe someone can time them and set the thermo for me?"<br /><br /> :D YOU SEE, THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! Lay out an opinion my man! Now we can talk! Screw all these ankle biting quips! Doesn't that feel good? Now don't you feel liberated? ;) :cool: <br /><br />One question though RF. Who said anything about defining who gets to drive an SUV? Or deciding whether or not a hitch was used enough? The comment about the hitches not being used was in the context of a response to JasonJ's post. Where he stated that the automobile industry has a genius marketing program, because people are buying vehicles that they have no use for. I agreed and gave him an example of people driving vehicles that they don't have a use for. I guess I didn't read the part about defining what vehicles you get to drive and deciding if a hitch is used enough. :confused: Just merely admiring some stellar marketing. :) <br /><br />Maybe you should go back to the one an two sentence quips. You come off much more intelligent. :p :p Just kidding bud. I'll even put in the razzing faces. ;)
 

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I agree<br /> ya outta see the escalades and expiditions here that have two elderly retired folk and have never ever been or will be off the pavement.<br /> however its their money, spend it where ya wish.<br />by drilling where the oil is you also have to balance is it worth it? will it actually make any difference and will the cost outweigh any bennies? will it be state owned or private and sold to japan,china or russia instead of here in the US.<br /> it comes mostly from public trust lands and seabeds yet is "owned" by private companies that will sell to the highest bidder regardless of US subsidies(taxpayer) monies that got it to a tanker.<br />exxon-moble wants to drill in anwar? no problem, a 20% lease and exxon not only constructs the pipeline and platforms but is responsible for the removal of such platforms and pipelines in 8 years or so when the field is dry.<br /> a bond for such removal will be posted as well as a hedge against corperate bankruptcy.<br /> thats how it should work when a private company takes public resources from public land.
 

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If Brazil can become energy independent, than so can we. When we decided we were going to beat the Russians to the moon, we got it done. When got our brightest scientist together to develop a nuclear weapon, we got it done. We can certainly follow the Brazil model and tell the Arab world to pound sand (no pun intended). ;)
 

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jimonica<br /> I totally agree with that.<br /> however as long as we trust big oil to develop it we are urinating to the windward side.
 

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Yep, we need to be more like brazil. Just a quick question, who made more money in the sale of oil and gas? Big oil or big government?<br /><br />Based on this logic I guess we can't trust Kerry to do anything about immigration due to his ties to big ketsup. Rodbolt, drilling in anwar has been resisted due to reindeer or polar bears or other such foolishness. Not the strength of the companies suggesting it's use. Sure do as much as you can to bleed organizations for money on the front end, but know that this will result in inflated prices at the pump, and the whinning continues. I agree that the price of gas reacts upward like a cat on a hot stove and downward more like a feather in a windstorm, but the overall picture is consistant in form, and exectution with free market forces. I think that the opportunity to create alternative sources of energy has a huge upside and that should be the driving force for innovation. Until the world (USA) feels the sting of high energy costs the motivation to drive innovation is lacking.<br /><br />Blaming Bush for not acting like a socialist is why he is in office.
 

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better question, who made the most profits while creating a false shortage of a needed commodity ?<br />second best question, how come other countries got away from being held hostage by the mideast and big oil companies and can spend the extra money on actually improving something ?<br />seems even chevron is in on record first quater profits.<br />its rather odd that profit went up when the ratio of supply to product remained about the same.<br /> I am not saying we need to be brazil, I am saying the govt is about the only thing that can fund the research fairly and even that will be rife with corruption.<br /> if exxon found free energy today ya think they would market it or continue to milk oil ?
 

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"better question, who made the most profits while creating a false shortage of a needed commodity ?"<br /><br />That would be big government....<br /><br />Who was held hostage, well if you look at Brazil and their interest rates around 17% and unstable government, unemployment rate, and crime statistics I would have to say they were. Whether you are held hostage by oil companies or a government who answers to nobody, I would take the oil companies that anyone and I mean anyone can own a share of. Based on your comments I would have to assume you have every last investable dime in oil companies right now. Or maybe you don't.<br /><br />Profit margins in the 7-8% range don't bear out the persistant attacks of gouging levied by those who don't fully understand the market or expenses associated with this industry.<br /><br />Again, who makes more money in the sale of each gallon of gas? Big government or Big oil.
 

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Pointer wrote,<br /><br />"well if you look at Brazil and their interest rates around 17% and unstable government, unemployment rate, and crime statistics"<br /><br /> :D Great observation Pointer! The USA better not try to become energy self sufficient, because we know darn well high interest rates and unstable government go hand and hand with energy self sufficiency. :rolleyes: :confused: <br /><br />We really dodged a bullet when the United State emulated Hitler's interstate highway system. We're just darn lucky we're not all goose stepping down the street speaking German. Because we know interstate highways and brown shirted, black booted thugs go hand and hand! :rolleyes:
 

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Pointer wrote,<br /><br />"Again, who makes more money in the sale of each gallon of gas? Big government or Big oil."<br /><br />I don't know, but I would imagine your going to tell us the government. :rolleyes: I'll go a long with your premise. But, hope your not trying to say that the government is the ones doing the gouging. :confused: The government usually has a fixed tax per gallon of gas sold. The government doesn't take in more revenue as gas prices rises. Price as no bearing. Its a fixed rate per gallon. Government may take in more revenue based on the oil companies profits. That is if they're one of the 40% of corporation that actually pay taxes. Some how I got the feeling the savvy oil companies have managed to avoid paying most of their taxes.<br /><br />Pointer wrote,<br /><br />"Profit margins in the 7-8% range don't bear out the persistant attacks of gouging levied by those who don't fully understand the market or expenses associated with this industry."<br /><br />Again I don't know this is fact, but I'll go along with your premise. Gas is a high volume selling commodity. The lower volume selling commodity you have the higher your profit margin needs to be per unit sold. My cousin is in the wholesale grocery business, he tells me the profit margin is just pennies on the dollar and in some cases just fractions of pennies. So when you say 7 or 8% profit margin, they could be enjoying windfall profits, when maybe 2 or 3 profit margins may in fact be plenty. <br />Or on the other hand a low volume selling product such luxury yachts or luxury jetliners maybe working on a 50% or higher profit margin.<br />The bottom line is we have two oil men in the White House and the oil companies are enjoying record profits. I may not be the sharpest knife on the tree but I do know 2+2=4, or in Bush's case 5. :)
 
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