What are my chances?

cbourbeau32

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In addition to an Eska motor that I've got a question about in one of the other forums I'd like to buy a 10-15 HP Johnson or Evinrude to have a larger motor for my 14' aluminum boat. I've worked on 4-cycle lawn mower engines and stuff like that off and on so what are my chances of restoring one to good working order if I follow a good repair manual (and the FAQ post above about bringing one back to life)? I guess what I'm asking is how hard is it to do yourself?

Thanks, Charlie
 

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Re: What are my chances?

If you can read AND follow the directions, I see no problem accomplishing that. There are very good manufacture shop manuals out there for most any O/B you could find. But make sure you get the original manufacture's model specific, HP specific, model number specific shop manual and not some after market "covers all" type manual. There is a huge difference! But with the proper replacement parts and adjustments, I see it happening very nicely... JMHO!
 

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Re: What are my chances?

There are tons of those 9.9 and 15hp Omc's out there and they were made over a period of many years so finding one shouldn't pose a problem. Factory service manual shouldn't be difficult either. Also one of the nice things about these engines is that they do not require a whole bunch of specialty tool to repair them.
 

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As bonz-d stated these 9.9-15 hp motors can be found everywhere. There's one site I check often just for the fun of it that always has 4-5 of these size motors up for sale. wwwdotsmalloutboardsdotcom. Sometimes there a little over priced, but they seem like a good outfit. But with regards to re-building, I recently re-built an 81 Evinrude 25 HP never having any experiance with rebuilding motors of any kind. I am somewhat mechanically savvy, but never had the experiance. With that said, my motor is in the 10th hour of break-in and running like a champ. I got my manufacturers service manual from outboardbooksdotcom, which provide the Ken Cook service manuals, which I am told is now the provider of original service manuals. I really enjoyed rebuilding my motor. Hope this helps.
 

cbourbeau32

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Re: What are my chances?

Thanks, when looking at these I would assume (I could be wrong) that you would look for (if the motor isn't actually running) good compression first, spark second and then a clean working carburetor lastly as the spark can be restored and the carburetor can be kitted but bad compression is a more difficult animal to overcome (again, I could be wrong about this, that's why I'm asking). This is of course assuming that the lower unit is in working order.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks, Charlie
 

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Worry mainly about compression. Bring a gauge with you. If you let us know what motor you will be looking at, we can help with acceptable compression numbers.

If you get a 50s 60s OMC 10-18hp you will not be disappointed. They are easy to work on, parts are plentiful, and not many special tools required.
 

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well, you can't really assume, as you put it, that the lower unit is in working order, in fact should assume that it will be one of the first things you will want to work on (water pump). I think you probably mean that the thing seems to shift OK and is intact and not all bashed up -- all stuff you would want to notice in deciding whether to buy (and for what price). I probably differ from the more technical approach from some of the other listers. When I'm looking at a motor, say, in the $100 to $300 range that I would really like (I do mainly the mid to late fifties magneto types), I will typically make sure that it's not stuck, and in checking that will see if I can feel compression -- can see if there is a compression "bounce" if you have the access to the flywheel. I also figure I'm going to spend about $125 give or take to get the magneto and water pump in shape, just as a given. These are older motors than I think you are looking at in the 9.9-15 hp range (see kfa's post, above). I'm usually pleasantly surprised when I have it in my workshop (with the compression tester, spark tester, flywheel puller, favorite wrenches, etc.) The motors I'm usually looking at are not in locations that provide a lot of testing space -- usually looking at some basics, with the idea that, worst case, I end up with some more OMC parts for my $200. By the way, I never tried that finger-over-the-sparkhole test for compression, but will reserve that one for the next discovery, if I can get at it enough to get the plugs out, have somebody to pull the starter rope, or whatever else figures in. It really is all good fun.
 

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What I will do is put my thumb over the plug hole.-----Turn flywheel untill I feel suction ( downstroke ) and wait a bit.---When removing thumb you want to hear a slight pop.-----That means rings / piston are in reasonable shape.-------Your results may vary, experience here does count.
 

cbourbeau32

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Re: What are my chances?

Thanks Oldboat, what exactly do you mean by compression "bounce"? I have a compression tester shouldn't that tell me whether the engine has acceptable compression?

Thanks again, Charlie
 

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compression tester is sure preferred, but not always practical at the front end of a deal -- but you sure could make it a rule before buying, if more comfortable. By "bounce", I mean rocking the flywheel back and forth slightly to feel resistance. You are feeling compression (and know that the engine isn't locked up as well). The thumb test like Racerone describes is probably a little better, and using a tester is best. Again, think it depends on circumstances, and maybe your tolerance for risk(?). It's a different game on an expensive motor. But don't rotate the flywheel counterclockwise, other than that little bounce.
 
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Bounce is the term used to describe how the motor spins over, then kicks back a bit due to compression in the cylinders. It is something you can feel and see after turning a few over.

Compression gauge is the best bet of course. If you have one you are all set. I don't care what anyone says, experience or not, you could not feel if top cylinder has 140 psi, and the lower had 100 psi with any tricks, unless you were spiderman. :)

Yes, a Sea King is a Gale product, made by OMC.
 

cbourbeau32

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Re: What are my chances?

Chris, is Sea King a good motor and should there be plenty of OEM parts available for them?

Thanks, Charlie
 
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Which model are you referring to, my answer would vary depending.
 

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HighTrim is right about the technical results (or non-results). If you get a kick out of finding old motors stashed in the back or barns and garages, like I do, you sometimes don't have the best circumstances.

hey that Sea King question (Gale). good motors. I think Gale was actually the better grade of OMCs, sort of like Buicks and Chevys -- or maybe it was Oldsmobile. I've worked on two or three, up to 35hp, with good results.
 

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Here is a video I have handy, a 5hp direct drive Sea King.

I love the Gale built motors. I have a few.

 

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HighTrim is right about the technical results (or non-results). If you get a kick out of finding old motors stashed in the back or barns and garages, like I do, you sometimes don't have the best circumstances.

hey that Sea King question (Gale). good motors. I think Gale was actually the better grade of OMCs, sort of like Buicks and Chevys -- or maybe it was Oldsmobile. I've worked on two or three, up to 35hp, with good results.

Old Boat Gale was brought out when OMC found a niche they wanted to fill. Wholesalers serving hardware stores and sporting good stores needed low priced motors they could offer. They debuted in 1950 under the name Buccaneer. Over the years, the name changed to Gale, and Buccaneer became a model. These motors were for boaters on a budget, that were reliable.

The various model designations were Montgomery Ward Sea King, Hiawatha, Viking, Goodyear Sea Bee, Wester Auto Western Flyer, Fedway Saber, AMC Saber, Atlas Royal, Buccaneer, Spiegel Brooklure, Goodrich Sea Flyer, plus probably a couple more I couldn't think about.
 

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I believe not all " seaking " motors were built by OMC or the Gale division.
 

HighTrim

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I believe not all " seaking " motors were built by OMC or the Gale division.

Very true, which is why I needed an exact model from him. If it is 50s, it was OMC built. I don't think there were any other suppliers during this time.

Some from the 30s are actually discontinued Lockwoods that OMC stuck Sea King decals on.

Late 30s they purchased their supply from CMC. The Thors, decalled as Sea Kings gave Monkey Ward a very bad reputation in the outboard industry.

This is when old Carl bought the Thor factory, put his talent into some Sea Kings and earned his contract. So an early 40s Sea King could be Mercury made, or OMC built.
 
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