What are the 2 sensor on the thermostat housing?

CLi87

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I have a Merc 7.4 and was wondering what the 2 sensors are on the thermostat housing, I'm sure one is a water temp sensor but what's the other one?
 

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Actually I think I found the answer, both are temp sensors but one is for the gauge and one is for the alarm. My gauge was working but suddenly stopped so I figured the sensor is the problem, looking at the diagram which sensor am I supposed to get? Part #11 and which sensor goes to the gauge and which one to the alarm? One has a tan wire and the other has a blue wire.


On my boat one sensor (blue wire) looks like the first picture I uploaded with a plastic shield over it, and the other sensor (tan wire) looks like the 2nd picture attached with the bronze sensor.
 

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Ayuh,..... The one with the tan wire is the alarm switch,....
 

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Ayuh,..... The one with the tan wire is the alarm switch,....
Ok so I must need the other sensor, the one with the cover on it, upon further inspection the actual wire is tan with a blue stripe, someone had spliced in a short extension that was just a blue wire. Any idea which sensor that is? On the diagram both of the #11 sensors look like the bronze style one for the alarm.
 

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Ok so I must need the other sensor, the one with the cover on it, upon further inspection the actual wire is tan with a blue stripe, someone had spliced in a short extension that was just a blue wire. Any idea which sensor that is? On the diagram both of the #11 sensors look like the bronze style one for the alarm.
Ayuh,..... With the key, On,.... remove either wire, 'n ground it out on the motor,.....
If the alarm sounds, that's the alarm switch,.....
If the temp gauge pegs to Hot, it's the temp sender,....
 

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Ayuh,..... With the key, On,.... remove either wire, 'n ground it out on the motor,.....
If the alarm sounds, that's the alarm switch,.....
If the temp gauge pegs to Hot, it's the temp sender,....
I grounded out both wires but the gauge didn't move and the alarm didn't sound. I traced the wires into the cabin, the tan wire goes to the gauge and the tan/blue wire goes to the alarm. I'm kinda curious though, how does grounding out the wire make the alarm sound? From what I can see the wire goes to the alarm and on the alarm the other wire is a black ground, so how does the alarm get power to sound?
 
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I grounded out both wires but the gauge didn't move and the alarm didn't sound. I traced the wires into the cabin, the tan wire goes to the gauge and the tan/blue wire goes to the alarm. I'm kinda curious though, how does grounding out the wire make the alarm sound? From what I can see the wire goes to the alarm and on the alarm the other wire is a black ground, so how does the alarm get power to sound?
The buzzer has 12v switched power to it. Grounding the wire (or closing the switch on the sensor) completes the circuit. I assume you did theses tests with the ignition on...
For the gauge, make sure you're getting 12v to the gauge (purple), and then trace 12v along the sender wire to the sender.
 

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The buzzer has 12v switched power to it. Grounding the wire (or closing the switch on the sensor) completes the circuit. I assume you did theses tests with the ignition on...
For the gauge, make sure you're getting 12v to the gauge (purple), and then trace 12v along the sender wire to the sender.
I did have ignition switched on, and actually the buzzer does work, I didn't realize there was a 3 second delay before the buzzer sounds, however grounding the tan wire for the gauge still didn't work. Should I be getting 12v from the tan wire to ground? Also, not sure if it matters but when I turn the ignition switch on the temp gauge moves lower by just a hair, then with ignition off it moves back up a hair.
 

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Should I be getting 12v from the tan wire to ground? Also, not sure if it matters but when I turn the ignition switch on the temp gauge moves lower by just a hair, then with ignition off it moves back up a hair.
1. Yes, if it's disconnected at the sender
2. That suggests you're getting power to the gauge, but either the sender is bad or you have a bad connection/break in the tan wire.
 

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1. Yes, if it's disconnected at the sender
2. That suggests you're getting power to the gauge, but either the sender is bad or you have a bad connection/break in the tan wire.
I just took my dash apart and checked voltages, i'm getting 12.4v in from the purp wire but the tan wire was only sending 8.2v out, so I figured the gauge is bad and I just happened to have a brand new temp gauge so I installed that real quick, with the new gauge I'm getting 10.2v out from the tan wire but still not 12+v, and when I ground the tan wire the gauge still isn't maxing out, should I be looking for a ground problem? Even though I'm using the same ground (middle pole on gauge) when measuring voltage from the purple wire in and it works fine.
 

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you should not get any voltage on the tan wire. its a variable resistance to ground.
 

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I did some more testing and when I ground the tan pole out on both the old and new gauge the needle does max out, so I guess it's a wiring problem with the tan wire, gonna do some more diagnostics to try to find the break.
 

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Found the problem, connector at the sensor was badly corroded, sliced open the heat shrink and the wires to the connector were green and basically dust. Cut the wire back a bit, put on a new connector and the old temp gauge is reading again.
 

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Well I spoke too soon, my temp gauge works but it's reading about 60-70 degrees high, it was working fine previously, gauge go bad suddenly?
 

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Well I spoke too soon, my temp gauge works but it's reading about 60-70 degrees high, it was working fine previously, gauge go bad suddenly?
More likely you got rid of all that corrosion so there's less resistance through the circuit now. Are you sure it's reading high, or just higher than before?
 

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More likely you got rid of all that corrosion so there's less resistance through the circuit now. Are you sure it's reading high, or just higher than before?
To be honest I didn't compare the temp gauge with IR reading at the thermostat when it was "working", but it stayed between 160-180 originally, right now it's going up to 220 on the gauge while the IR is only reading 150-160 at the thermostat.
 

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Well, that's off. What does the gauge read on a cold engine? What is the resistance of the sender when cold/warm? I couldn't find a resistance value chart for the sender, but other option is to put the tan wire on another gauge after disconnecting the sender from that gauge (fuel, oil, trim), and see if the needle ends up in the same part of the gauge. The gauges are the same, they just use a different overlay depending on what they're measuring.
 
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